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Hi, Ironhold. Interesting user name....Which is why the church has a procedure in place for evaluating material and determining what is or is not to be accorded the weight of canon.
Did you not know this?
They have their own Bible and so comparison is quite fruitless. They (Mormons) continue to add to the Bible via their appointed prophets. The discussion points you have are meaningful only to get their point of view. Please do a careful comparison with the Christian Bible.Hi. I'm wondering about comparing the different concepts of what some call the Godhead. I'm not sure, but I believe many Latter Day Saints believe in a Triad. I know many Christians believe in a Trinity. I'm wondering what the logical or scriptural arguments are to support each, so that I might compare the two and make up my own mind.
Please let me know if you're a Mormon and whether you believe in the Trinity or not, so I don't have to ask. If you have time, describe or define your preferred doctrine, even if you're a trinitarian, as I've found Christians sometimes have different ideas about why the Trinity is.
I'm currently a Methodist, which makes me a trinitarian, but I'm not looking for some kind of debate and don't care to convince anyone but myself. I do tend to ask a lot of simple questions, but won't be offended if one doesn't have time to answer them. I realize this is a debate forum and have no problem with others using this discussion for that purpose. I think I'd benefit from reading the comments of both sides.
I Hope to have a thoughtful and personally helpful conversation.
Thanks throughfireytrial. Do you have any Bible passages you think might be helpful?They have their own Bible and so comparison is quite fruitless. They (Mormons) continue to add to the Bible via their appointed prophets. The discussion points you have are meaningful only to get their point of view. Please do a careful comparison with the Christian Bible.
Hi, Ironhold. Interesting user name.
Do you have a link to a site that lists the canonical books and perhaps even has online versions of them to search or download as PDF documents?
Since you mentioned Mormons, the believe Jesus came to the USA after death and had 12 more disciples, let me show you that's false, you can still be a disciple of Christ.Hi. I'm wondering about comparing the different concepts of what some call the Godhead. I'm not sure, but I believe many Latter Day Saints believe in a Triad. I know many Christians believe in a Trinity. I'm wondering what the logical or scriptural arguments are to support each, so that I might compare the two and make up my own mind.
Please let me know if you're a Mormon and whether you believe in the Trinity or not, so I don't have to ask. If you have time, describe or define your preferred doctrine, even if you're a trinitarian, as I've found Christians sometimes have different ideas about why the Trinity is.
I'm currently a Methodist, which makes me a trinitarian, but I'm not looking for some kind of debate and don't care to convince anyone but myself. I do tend to ask a lot of simple questions, but won't be offended if one doesn't have time to answer them. I realize this is a debate forum and have no problem with others using this discussion for that purpose. I think I'd benefit from reading the comments of both sides.
I Hope to have a thoughtful and personally helpful conversation.
They have their own Bible and so comparison is quite fruitless. They (Mormons) continue to add to the Bible via their appointed prophets. The discussion points you have are meaningful only to get their point of view. Please do a careful comparison with the Christian Bible.
Passages on the Trinity: three persons, yet one...Thanks throughfireytrial. Do you have any Bible passages you think might be helpful?
Oh yes, tricky though...it is not considered a closed cannon by Mormons as it is by Christians. (Which is what I said.)If you'll check the link I gave, you'll see that the church uses the King James Version as the Bible.
Sweet! Dude! Thanks!Everything that's officially accepted is on the church website: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
You've got the full canon of scriptures, the complete hymnals, the most recent Sunday school manuals, select previous Sunday school manuals, and an archive of official magazines that dates back to the 1970s. All you have to do is figure out the latest site update (seems whoever they have running it favors form over function) and poke about.
Thanks, disciple1Since you mentioned Mormons, the believe Jesus came to the USA after death and had 12 more disciples, let me show you that's false, you can still be a disciple of Christ.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Now for what I think you asked.
God is Jesus, and God is the holly spirit.
As it says in John chapter 1 verse 1
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
In verse 14
Speaking of Jesus it say the word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
And at another time the holy spirit came upon Mary and she was, with child.
Fascinating! Calling the babe of the Christmas story Father is surprising to me. Shouldn't he be called Everlasting Son, instead?Passages on the Trinity: three persons, yet one...
John 1:4...as mentioned (Jesus always was and Jesus, the Word, is God)
John 10:30...the Father and Jesus are one
I Corinthians 2:12: The Spirit is One with the Father and Son
I Corinthians 6:19: The Spirit sent by God and dwells in us
I Corinthians 12:3
II Corinthians 5:5
Put all those together...there is a much lengthier list...but the following passage lays out the Godhead quite clearly for us...
Isaiah 9:6-7:
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.
The Son is of course Jesus, look at His other names...Mighty God and Everlasting Father [so Father and Son are indeed one] Wonderful Counselor [the name of the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is one with Christ as well] and Christ will reign forever...He is God.
There are more passages just ask again after digesting these and maybe still come up short on the Trinity.
So I'm curious. Please explain why you believe a closed canon is superior.Oh yes, tricky though...it is not considered a closed cannon by Mormons as it is by Christians. (Which is what I said.)
No, because Jesus is the Son and is the Everlasting Father...they are one. To say Jesus was the Everlasting Son would perhaps infer that He never was eternal God when if fact God became man and at that point is named the Son.Fascinating! Calling the babe of the Christmas story Father is surprising to me. Shouldn't he be called Everlasting Son, instead?
God gave us a closed cannon...the Bible...to live by and to be saved by and we are instructed in the cannon of the Bible not to go beyond what is written...in other word add one's own words to live by...many times they contradict the original. Jesus in talking with the Pharisees confronts them for their additions and points out how they then negate the Scriptures. So it is superior because it is God's Word and it is superior because it holds the keys to eternal life which adding to them only serves to weaken them.So I'm curious. Please explain why you believe a closed canon is superior.
God gave us a closed cannon...the Bible...to live by and to be saved by and we are instructed in the cannon of the Bible not to go beyond what is written...
Sweet! Dude! Thanks!
Do you have a verse describing the HOW the Father,, Son, and Spirit are one through a shared substance- the central connecting point of the Trinity?Passages on the Trinity: three persons, yet one...
John 1:4...as mentioned (Jesus always was and Jesus, the Word, is God)
John 10:30...the Father and Jesus are one
I Corinthians 2:12: The Spirit is One with the Father and Son
I Corinthians 6:19: The Spirit sent by God and dwells in us
I Corinthians 12:3
II Corinthians 5:5
Put all those together...there is a much lengthier list...but the following passage lays out the Godhead quite clearly for us...
Isaiah 9:6-7:
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.
The Son is of course Jesus, look at His other names...Mighty God and Everlasting Father [so Father and Son are indeed one] Wonderful Counselor [the name of the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is one with Christ as well] and Christ will reign forever...He is God.
There are more passages just ask again after digesting these and maybe still come up short on the Trinity.
Do you have a verse describing the HOW the Father,, Son, and Spirit are one through a shared substance- the central connecting point of the Trinity?
God gave us a closed cannon...the Bible...to live by and to be saved by and we are instructed in the cannon of the Bible not to go beyond what is written...in other word add one's own words to live by...many times they contradict the original. Jesus in talking with the Pharisees confronts them for their additions and points out how they then negate the Scriptures. So it is superior because it is God's Word and it is superior because it holds the keys to eternal life which adding to them only serves to weaken them.
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