Wonder why they hate us?

[caley]

With "liberators" like these, who needs enemies?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030411/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_war_baghdad_loot_shop_030411155239

 

[Mother Vashti]

Hi Caley,
In all fairness to this man's murderers, they were told erroneous information by some Iraqi busibodies who got that man killed.

But murder is still murder. The heart of peace within me tells me that this is wrong, and certainly not the working of Christ. The Church must be more discerning.

Love your quote.

 

[paulewog]

Ok, let's give them back to Hussein and his torture chambers, shall we?

/me kinda likes sarcasm

 

[Mother Vashti]

Paul, I agree that torturing and gassing people to death is absolutely heinous. But I'm not sure how shooting them to, er, a liberating death is the work of Saints.

Besides, I doubt our president's intentions have a lot to do with clemency and little to do with oil profits.

 

[Susan]

That's murder. . .no matter what you want to call it.

 

[nephilimiyr]

This is why Bush says we aren't there to be a police force.

When US soldiers approached the area, the looters told them that the shopkeeper was a member of Saddam Hussein Fedayeen paramilitary force.

Paul, I agree that torturing and gassing people to death is absolutely heinous. But I'm not sure how shooting them to, er, a liberating death is the work of Saints.

Besides, I doubt our president's intentions have a lot to do with clemency and little to do with oil profits.

Come on people, read the story objectionably and not with bias in your heart! For one thing US soldiers are not considered saints but real human beings that make mistakes. These soldiers thought they were fireing on a Fedayeen paramilitary who was putting people in harm with perhaps the intent to shoot those looters to death.

 

[Greeter]

Today at 03:43 AM Susan said this in Post #5

That's murder. . .no matter what you want to call it.

It is too easy for us to judge others without having walked in their footsteps.  Our soldiers are human beings with the ability to make mistakes.  Based on what they were told they acted and someone died, possibly even wrongly.  Before we judge them as murderers let's hear their side of it, if it even goes to trial.  Our soldiers are citizens of the United States of America.  Even though the judicial system works a little differently for the military, those within it are innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Dewjunkie]

Once again, people who have never been in a situation providing opinions based on loose reports from a place 13,000 miles away. Unless you were standing with the troops when they fired, you don't know all of the details, and can't determine why they fired. Nor can you say that all Iraqis hate us because of a decision made in a place where chaos is rampant right now.

But thank you for the baseless anti-American, anti-military banter.

 

[Gerry]

READ the story BEFORE calling it murder!

 

[Mother Vashti]

[]Yesterday at 07:09 AM Mother Vashti said this in Post #2

Hi Caley,
In all fairness to this man's murderers, they were told erroneous information by some Iraqi busibodies who got that man killed.

But murder is still murder. The heart of peace within me tells me that this is wrong, and certainly not the working of Christ. The Church must be more discerning.

Love your quote. [/B]

I'm sticking to my original position.

 

[D.C]

That's murder. . .no matter what you want to call it.

Its called WAR, accidents and mistakes happen!

 

Like the others said, read the story and think about the conditions and situation the soldiers are in before you make a snap judgement based on an article that barely breaks 100 words.

As for the quote caley made, heres my take on it,

 

With christians so willing to judge others, who needs God to do it.

 

Yes its sarcastic, but its true. I see to many people who claim to be Christians  running around this planet acting like they have all the answers and also judgeing others and passing out condemnations like candy. A little piece of advice I like to give to those people is "Why dont you S2 and let God do his job, because  the ones who claim to know it all, actually know very little and in the process end of doing more damage then good!!!"

 

[Mother Vashti]

DC, I don't understand why that anecdote doesn't apply to those who judge the deaths of Iraqis to be acceptable. Since when did Christians ally themselves with the attitude "the ends justify the means"?

Again, it's just my personal opinion; don't get blue in the face.

 

[paulewog]

it's not murder, Susan. God TOLD the Israelites to "murder," if it is. So apparently it's not murder.

The war isn't about oil profits. Yes, I'm sure the oil prices might go down when Hussein is not controlling them anymore, but this war is not about oil, and it never has been. We could haev taken it earlier if we wanted it (like... a while ago...). I don't know where people get that idea... people like to doubt Bush I guess

Anyways - killing people for what they have done is Biblical, even commanded. And that authority is given to governments. In this case, we have a country that's treating their people like dirt. I know, he's not Hitler, but he sure treats his people like them.

Out of curiosity - if you were an Iraqi, under opression... wouldn't you want to be liberated? Or would you still be for "peace" and ... uh .... opression.

 

[Memory's Flame]

I agree with Paul... we could always let Saddam and his regime take control again... Then they'd all die because they acted so excited when we came into Baghdad... that's punishable by death in his regime...

 

[Mother Vashti]

But if you turn the question around, if you were an Iraqi, why would you see bombs being dropped on your head and people dying as liberating?

 

[paulewog]

Uhh...

since when haev we been bombing civilians? Very, very few, if any. We've taken EXTREME caution not to do so.

And it looks as if the Iraqi's appreciated it...

 

[Hopeful]

Yesterday at 03:43 AM Susan said this in Post #5

That's murder. . .no matter what you want to call it.

how would you suggest going about it? heart to heart talk?

 

[Aviyah]

Today at 10:42 PM Hopeful said this in Post #17


how would you suggest going about it? heart to heart talk?

lol hopeful hey how about a nice little tea party to dicuss things

 

[MSBS]

Guess what? Soldiers are not cops. This shows the rather large difference between a policeman and a soldier. Soldiers are trained to kill people with as little risk to themselves as possible. Police, on the other hand are trained to diffuse situations and resort to deadly force only as a last resort. The US does have MP units trained for this kind of duty, but they are apparently not in place yet-- so we get infantrymen trying to be cops and this is the results. It's lousy, but we can expect more of this kind of thing until regular policing gets put back together.

 

[paulewog]

- ah, actually, there have been very few civilian deaths....