#WomenAgainstFeminism

[GondwanaLand]

No, in fact, I did not miss that, but thanks for assuming.

I was giving the benefit of the doubt, but hey if you wanna go with "I saw it and ignored it/wasn't able to grasp it", that's fine with me.

 

[MikeCarra]

Gloria Steinem: a liberated woman is one who has sex before marriage and a job after.

If that is all one knows about the current state of feminism then it is safe to say one doesn't know feminism.

 

[AirPo]

So all the women who support that tag are secretly men?

What you don't drink the feminism koolaid you grow a penis?

Dude, are you PUI?

 

[Purge187]

That may have been what femanism once was, but it certainly isn't modern femanism. Modern Femanism is all about being pro-abortion and other parts of the Democrat platform (seriously if they weren't they would have been going ballistic over Clinton's sex scandals instead of bashing the women).

It's about female supremacy and misandry now.

 

[mpok1519]

I can appreciate that, but it's what the movement has become.

Gloria Steinem: a liberated woman is one who has sex before marriage and a job after.

That's NOT feminism. I don't even know what to call it.

A woman doing what she wants without anyone telling her how to run her life?

 

[mpok1519]

I'd call it a lack of personal responsibility, considering I am still a virgin, and I'm a guy.

If a woman has sex out of wedlock, and then gets a job in a later stage of life, how is that personally irresponsible?

 

[mpok1519]

That may have been what femanism once was, but it certainly isn't modern femanism. Modern Femanism is all about being pro-abortion and other parts of the Democrat platform (seriously if they weren't they would have been going ballistic over Clinton's sex scandals instead of bashing the women).

Or it's a platform that stands on the principle you as a man are no longer a significant factor of control within a woman's life and her decisions concerning herself and her person, as it had been for all of history it seems.

 

[Targaryen]

Mourning the death of hate through #womenagainstfeminism

Whether or not you're a fan of the author or the website, this shows that some women get it.

One of the dumbest things I've seen in a long time. And the celebrating of this is so middle ages in feel....good grief.

 

[mpok1519]

Absotively. I happen to believe that a mother's place is with her children, period. There is no job, no career, nothing whatsoever in the entire universe, that takes precedence over the precious job of being a mother. I think that women who value "doing it all", holding a career and being a mother, are missing out. Those kids will grow up in the blink of an eye. You have a small and precious window in which to immerse yourself in the beauty and awe and miracle of your children being young. Embrace it fully, for before you know it, it will be over, and you can never, ever get it back. I'm not knocking those who HAVE to work, like single mothers who have no choice. But for those who have a choice, and don't choose their children 100%... it makes me sad. And I'm not insulting or dissing working mothers, I just feel that they're missing out on so much. And for those women who feel that having children isn't their cup of tea, and decide to pursue careers whole-heartedly, I say "Go for it!" My only grievance is with a woman who has children, and chooses to work. Your child is so much more important than any career ladder.

So basically you're saying you don't think mothers should be doctors, lawyers, etc.

This idea that a mother can't be a successful professional AND the best caring nurturing parent possible does not bode well; a mother who devotes nine hours of the day earning a living for her family to give them the advantages and resources the mother may never have had growing up, so her children's lives are better, is exactly what a perfectly loving and caring mother would do.

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

So basically you're saying you don't think mothers should be doctors, lawyers, etc.

Umm nope she didn't say anything even close to that actually...
I honestly don't even see how you twisted her words that much to mean that. She's saying she thinks mothers should spend as much time as possible with their kids while their young because they won't get that time back. Nowhere did she say she thinks mothers shouldn't hold any particular job positions.

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

A woman doing what she wants without anyone telling her how to run her life?

Or no morals...but it's the same to some feminists right?

 

[mpok1519]

Umm nope she didn't say anything even close to that actually...
I honestly don't even see how you twisted her words that much to mean that. She's saying she thinks mothers should spend as much time as possible with their kids while their young because they won't get that time back. Nowhere did she say she thinks mothers shouldn't hold any particular job positions.

So how does a young mother put herself through law school, pass the bar, open a law office if the majority of her day is spent at home with the kids? It's no lie that a woman must balance home life with her career, and in order to achieve her career goals, sacrificing a large time away from the kids is necessary.

From what was said, I gathered that if it meant either a successful career, or more time with the kids, a woman should choose more time with the kids over devoting time toward the demands of her professional goals.

"....a mother's place is with her children. Period." To me that says a mother's "place" is no where else.

 

[mpok1519]

Or no morals...but it's the same to some feminists right?

You think a woman must follow your, a man's, rigid definition of morality when you don't know what it's like to be a woman?

News flash; just because someone is a woman doesn't mean she shares your particular brand of morality. And she doesn't deserved to be bashed by a man or anyone else for being the independent and sole determining factor of her life's journey.

For example, A woman wants to artificially inseminate to have a child because she isn't into guys? That's great. She should be respected and applauded for taking the steps she wants to achieve what she wants, in this case, motherhood. And she deserves not to be looked down upon because of that by anyone.

 

[Targaryen]

Umm nope she didn't say anything even close to that actually...
I honestly don't even see how you twisted her words that much to mean that. She's saying she thinks mothers should spend as much time as possible with their kids while their young because they won't get that time back. Nowhere did she say she thinks mothers shouldn't hold any particular job positions.

And what if the man is the one that wishes to stay home in that role, or it's a single mother?

Yup, let's just go back in time about 150 years or so

 

[mandyangel]

Absotively. I happen to believe that a mother's place is with her children, period. There is no job, no career, nothing whatsoever in the entire universe, that takes precedence over the precious job of being a mother. I think that women who value "doing it all", holding a career and being a mother, are missing out. Those kids will grow up in the blink of an eye. You have a small and precious window in which to immerse yourself in the beauty and awe and miracle of your children being young. Embrace it fully, for before you know it, it will be over, and you can never, ever get it back. I'm not knocking those who HAVE to work, like single mothers who have no choice. But for those who have a choice, and don't choose their children 100%... it makes me sad. And I'm not insulting or dissing working mothers, I just feel that they're missing out on so much. And for those women who feel that having children isn't their cup of tea, and decide to pursue careers whole-heartedly, I say "Go for it!" My only grievance is with a woman who has children, and chooses to work. Your child is so much more important than any career ladder.

Have to kind of agree with ya there.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

I think much of the opposition to feminism is based on caricatures of feminism rather than the truth of it.

Authentic feminism is not about misandry, entitlement, superiority, lesbianism, atheism, militance, or shedding your femininity. At its core feminism is about egalitarianism. By definition it's "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." It's not gender-exclusive, and many confident, intelligent men who value women and respect them as equal adults are feminists. My boyfriend is a feminist who wants me to fulfill my potential and pursue my ambitions with the same gusto as he does. I want to create a meaningful career as well as a family, just as my mom and my grandmothers have thrived with both, but there are feminists who choose to be stay-at-home mothers. The key word is choose. Feminism should be about enabling women to create and make choices for themselves. We should be able to earn places in colleges, in professional schools, and in careers based on gender-neutral meritocracy. It's not about demanding anything to be handed to you, but on you being able to go after it. To me society as a whole benefits from authentic feminism because it encourages more women to contribute their intelligence, skills, productivity, and talents, as well as their taxes.

I go to the oldest school for girls in Southern California, and at the time it was established in the 1800s girls had few choices but to replicate their mother's life when they became women. Back then women lacked the ability to vote, to attend many of the colleges and universities that used to be males-only, and faced far more obstacles in their path for building careers for themselves. My school originally educated society girls, and now it educates girls to become leaders in society. I am a #YoungWomanForFeminism.

 

[Targaryen]

I think much of the opposition to feminism is based on caricatures of feminism rather than the truth of it.

Authentic feminism is not about misandry, entitlement, superiority, lesbianism, atheism, militance, or shedding your femininity. At its core feminism is about egalitarianism. By definition it's "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." It's not gender-exclusive, and many confident, intelligent men who value women and respect them as equal adults are feminists. My boyfriend is a feminist who wants me to fulfill my potential and pursue my ambitions with the same gusto as he does. I want to create a meaningful career as well as a family, just as my mom and my grandmothers have thrived with both, but there are feminists who choose to be stay-at-home mothers. The key word is choose. Feminism should be about enabling women to create and make choices for themselves. We should be able to earn places in colleges, in professional schools, and in careers based on gender-neutral meritocracy. It's not about demanding anything to be handed to you, but on you being able to go after it. To me society as a whole benefits from authentic feminism because it encourages more women to contribute their intelligence, skills, productivity, and talents, as well as their taxes.

I go to the oldest school for girls in Southern California, and at the time it was established in the 1800s girls had few choices but to replicate their mother's life when they became women. Back then women lacked the ability to vote, to attend many of the colleges and universities that used to be males-only, and faced far more obstacles in their path for building careers for themselves. My school originally educated society girls, and now it educates girls to become leaders in society. I am a #YoungWomanForFeminism.

Bravo kiddo!

 

[TerranceL]

I think much of the opposition to feminism is based on caricatures of feminism rather than the truth of it.

More like they are basing their opposition to feminism on the actual effects of feminism on society at large.

They see good fathers split from their children because the feminist "tender years" doctrine because "all things being equal women make better parents than fathers".

They see men abused and beaten by women but who refuse to report it because of feminist ideologies like, "primary aggressor" and the Duluth model. They would rather take the abuse then go to jail.

They see young men being told they need to be taught not to rape because just being a male means you have rapist tendencies at default.

So no, these women aren't against feminism because of any kind of caricatures, they are against feminism because of the reality of how it effects and shapes society.

 

[Targaryen]

More like they are basing their opposition to feminism on the actual effects of feminism on society at large.

They see good fathers split from their children because the feminist "tender years" doctrine because "all things being equal women make better parents than fathers".

They see men abused and beaten by women but who refuse to report it because of feminist ideologies like, "primary aggressor" and the Duluth model. They would rather take the abuse then go to jail.

They see young men being told they need to be taught not to rape because just being a male means you have rapist tendencies at default.

So no, these women aren't against feminism because of any kind of caricatures, they are against feminism because of the reality of how it effects and shapes society.

Uh-huh.

That's not feminism as opposed to militancy and nonsensical militancy at that.

 

[TerranceL]

Uh-huh.

That's not feminism as opposed to militancy and nonsensical militancy at that.

I see, so laws and doctrines that feminist fought to have put in place ISN'T feminism.

Try again.