cubanito
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Deborah asked Barak to come. She never commanded him, she as prophetess repeated the command of God to Barak.
Judges 4: 6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-naphtali, and said unto him: 'Hath not the LORD, the God of Israel, commanded, saying: Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?"
She went with Barak because he would disobey God if she did not. Jud 4:8 And Barak said unto her: 'If thou wilt go with me, then I will go; but if thou wilt not go with me, I will not go.'
She was then by Barak's side, never actually taking the lead, but in support of a weak man.
How this can be used to support women leading Churches is beyond me. It shows a woman doing everything she could to obey both God and man, and in a strictly supporting role.
It IS true that she "judged Israel." That is a situation described as people coming to her for advice and decisions, NOT one of her imposing decisions on the people. Even so, the people are called CHILDREN for they were not acting as men:
5 And she sat under the palm-tree of Deborah between Ramah and Beth-el in the hill-country of Ephraim; and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.
This is unfortunately a common situation in many Churches, were men from birth have been taught to suppress their agressive masculine traits, were they are told time and again women are better at everything, and were every commercial and TV sit com portrays them as stupid and uninvolved. Something happened in the 1800's were Churches became heavily feminized, and an emasculated form of Christianity became the norm in Protestant Churches as it had been long in Roman and Orthodox ones.
While I would take neither, I would rather be led by a woman than by an emasculated man. Check out all the cursing JC did starting in Mat 22 running into 23, this was flat out cursing. Check out Pauls using the word "copros" that was the street form of excrement, and Isaiah comparing his own good works to a used menstrual rag. Sometimes I get so sick of many men in my local church walking around with a plastic smile, talking softly in that "churchy" code language that I could spit. To their credit, the pastor is not one of these, and most members very much enjoy my loud, rambunctious ways. Recently the pastor asked if people could move up at least one pew. He meant next time, but I took off my shoes and climbed over to the front pew. What a shock, there was laughter in the sanctuary!
JR
Judges 4: 6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-naphtali, and said unto him: 'Hath not the LORD, the God of Israel, commanded, saying: Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?"
She went with Barak because he would disobey God if she did not. Jud 4:8 And Barak said unto her: 'If thou wilt go with me, then I will go; but if thou wilt not go with me, I will not go.'
She was then by Barak's side, never actually taking the lead, but in support of a weak man.
How this can be used to support women leading Churches is beyond me. It shows a woman doing everything she could to obey both God and man, and in a strictly supporting role.
It IS true that she "judged Israel." That is a situation described as people coming to her for advice and decisions, NOT one of her imposing decisions on the people. Even so, the people are called CHILDREN for they were not acting as men:
5 And she sat under the palm-tree of Deborah between Ramah and Beth-el in the hill-country of Ephraim; and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.
This is unfortunately a common situation in many Churches, were men from birth have been taught to suppress their agressive masculine traits, were they are told time and again women are better at everything, and were every commercial and TV sit com portrays them as stupid and uninvolved. Something happened in the 1800's were Churches became heavily feminized, and an emasculated form of Christianity became the norm in Protestant Churches as it had been long in Roman and Orthodox ones.
While I would take neither, I would rather be led by a woman than by an emasculated man. Check out all the cursing JC did starting in Mat 22 running into 23, this was flat out cursing. Check out Pauls using the word "copros" that was the street form of excrement, and Isaiah comparing his own good works to a used menstrual rag. Sometimes I get so sick of many men in my local church walking around with a plastic smile, talking softly in that "churchy" code language that I could spit. To their credit, the pastor is not one of these, and most members very much enjoy my loud, rambunctious ways. Recently the pastor asked if people could move up at least one pew. He meant next time, but I took off my shoes and climbed over to the front pew. What a shock, there was laughter in the sanctuary!
JR
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