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Thomas Welch pasteurized grape juice in 1869. Welches is a large if not the largest producer of grape juice. Welch was a Methodist. Methodists commune with grape juice. If you want to know why wine was sufficient for 1,869 years of Christendom before the introduction of grape juice for communion, follow the money.
Why were the Methodists so "anti-wine"? I wonder how they resolved all of the scriptures about wine?
Well, according to some here, there was no such thing as "fresh grape juice" before Mr Welch.
That's right, because the technique for preserving grape juice came from Welch. He also had the equipment and necessities to do so.
They didn't have all that two thousand years ago. The only thing they had was boiling down grape juice and then diluting it with water, which lasted longer. But the must, which the condensed juice was, didn't last too long either- you simply couldn't preserve food and drink to such extent and back then, it's just that simple.
Mr Welch didn't invent grape juice, he only found a way to preserve it. People have been enjoying raw juice from freshly squeezed grapes (albeit for only a short time) long before Welch or Pastuer came into the world.
We did every year at my late aunt and uncle's place. They had grapes, and when it came time we harvested them to make jam/jelly and we always had fresh grape juice then.
What does it matter really? I'm a recovering alcoholic and I'd drink either, because a itty bitty cup of wine being consumed isn't going to spark a drinking binge.
If it does that communion you just did is having no power over you at all and you need to re-examine your faith for such a minor thing to be used as a catalyst.
What does it matter really? I'm a recovering alcoholic and I'd drink either, because a itty bitty cup of wine being consumed isn't going to spark a drinking binge.
If it does that communion you just did is having no power over you at all and you need to re-examine your faith for such a minor thing to be used as a catalyst.
Mr Welch didn't invent grape juice, he only found a way to preserve it. People have been enjoying raw juice from freshly squeezed grapes (albeit for only a short time) long before Welch or Pastuer came into the world.
And what point are you making, exactly? Are really taking what I said in the literal context that grape juice didn't exist?
You have real problems interpreting context. Either that or you're just being purposefully annoying.
Let's try this again. Did grape juice exist before Thomas Welch?
Not the grape juice that we drink now.
It may be minor issue to you, but some people have extreme difficulties controlling their drinking urges. The only way these folks can keep themselves from falling into the sin of drunkenness is total abstinence from anything alcoholic.
Unless you are sinless yourself, don't really see how you be
Not the grape juice that we drink now.
Well, according to some here, there was no such thing as "fresh grape juice" before Mr Welch.
Thank God for Mr Welch who made it possible for unfermented grape juice to be preserved for long periods of time, allowing millions of Christians all over the globe to enjoy the "fruit of the vine" at the LORD's table all year round.
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