Nadine, I am here to do what it takes, but from IAR's posts, it seems pointless. My problem all along was how people were treated, members and visitors alike. I don't care if we have opposing doctrine. I do care about people. I came into this with the understanding that all sides were wrong. It has now turned into "I" am wrong and this is about y'all teaching me why. I don't get that nor did I agree to that. I think y'all have mistaken my willingness to admit to my own faults as stating that y'all are right. You were right that I was calling out a group of people, but that does not make you right on every count.
For example, Nadine, we have discussed how we treat those with false doctrine. I can almost agree with that to a point, but then when we have a non-believer come in with a cry for help and he is jumped on, (See the Sad thread), then, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of middle ground to mediate from.
I am afraid this was a mistake. For my part, I am indeed sorry. At the same time, I am not the CCC scapegoat either. I caused strife. So did you and so did IAR. I believe Des was simply hurt by it. I cannot recall Des doing anything except confronting me where I was wrong. I don't think Des attacked anyone here.
I cannot change "you". I can only work on myself. My opposition to what I see as poor treatment of unbelievers and brothers and sisters will be (to the best of my ability) done in a Godly manner from now on, but I will still oppose it as long as I have breath in my body or until God calls me away from it.
I do love you. I do not want to fight with anyone here. I will oppose anyone who causes division and hurts people.
Lisa
Lisa, I know who that poster is, and this is one of his tangents that I've seen him do before... if you notice, my very first post to him, I KINDLY answered his issues. Please see my FIRST post in his thread.
Then, notice his decline in the blame game against christians, making sure to include "ALL" of us are guilty of this.
It dawned on me who he was becuz I've seen this same attack in other sections months ago. That is what is behind my firmness after reading that he did in fact mean ALL Christians.
In another post he had made htere was a comment about how all us conservatives Bash gays & it's kool if these gays want to believe in God... yadda yadda.
I had a reason for the firm tone I took AFTER my initial kind and gentle post. So that's why that took place once I remembered the routine.
I never said or thought you were the CC "scapegoat", please remember, this was your idea to mediate and you named us specifically for this. I'm simply complying with YOUR request.
You are one of probly a large group here that heavily posts in the fellowship area and you guys share this same viewpoint - I/we've only asked that you fairly consider and understand why we don't have the same view and that we base it on scripture to just 1 certain group or type of people that have agendas that harm the body of Christ.
This problem came up weeks ago before any blowout - where we felt like we were being intimidated & chastized for not being like you guys - this is just escalated now.
That's how I view it.
We simply asked that instead of being chastized & reprimanded for seeing scripture warnings to divide from SOME (not all general lost - otherwise, we'd have to leave the planet) -- and that we are complying with God's word on not coddling & sitting in friendships with wolves or false teachers (whoever they may be).
2 John 9-11.
I don't care if you guys want to see it your way - just please understand and respect ours without hostility & intimidation. We should be able to operate as freely & equally as you who are different.
I guess that's all I could hope for here.
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