There are three types of people on Earth today.
Hi Keras. These verses do not say anything about children.Zechariah 14:1-2 says it will. Also Revelation 13:7
OK that is cute, but a bit of word wrangling. Maybe I was not clear enough, but that is ok.MY reply here is not on the OP however you are the OP and you brought this up so I guess it is ok to reply to it.
Jesus said there is only two types of people on the earth today not three;
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
All of God's holy people will be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land. Families and old folk, ALL will be as God always intended His people to be. Zechariah 8:1-8Hi Keras. These verses do not say anything about children.
This is a correct statement. There is no final redemption for the Jews, as rapture believers must think.Jesus said there is only two types of people on the earth today not three;
Matthew 12:30
All of God's holy people will be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land. Families and old folk, ALL will be as God always intended His people to be. Zechariah 8:1-8
They will eventually be conquered by the Anti-Christ, Zechariah 14:1-2, but some [most?] will be taken to a place of safety. Rev 12:14
This is a correct statement. There is no final redemption for the Jews, as rapture believers must think.
Many prophesies say that only a remnant of the Jews will be saved. Those who have become Christian now.
Why do you think children are Raptured when the adults are not? Nor is there any reason to believe that reproduction was supernaturally halted. Where in the Bible do you see that?In my opinion, there will not be small children here during that time. The woe will be the lamenting of parents whose children have gone in the rapture. Because it will be as it was in the days of Noah, reproduction will be supernaturally halted. Noah's children were almost 100 years old when the flood came, and they did not reproduce until after the flood.
I think that children/babies will be raptured because of their innocence (even though they are born with the corrupt sin nature). Oh, I think Christian adults will be raptured. I noted in scripture, in the days of Noah, his sons did not reproduce until after the flood, even though they had been married. So from that, I deduced that the ability to reproduce was halted by our Father until after the flood.Why do you think children are Raptured when the adults are not? Nor is there any reason to believe that reproduction was supernaturally halted. Where in the Bible do you see that?
That may be regarding the sons of Noah, and I respect your opinion, but it is speculation on your part. We know that Jesus compared the end times with the days of Noah and said,I think that children/babies will be raptured because of their innocence (even though they are born with the corrupt sin nature). Oh, I think Christian adults will be raptured. I noted in scripture, in the days of Noah, his sons did not reproduce until after the flood, even though they had been married. So from that, I deduced that the ability to reproduce was halted by our Father until after the flood.
That may be regarding the sons of Noah, and I respect your opinion, but it is speculation on your part. We know that Jesus compared the end times with the days of Noah and said,
Mat 24:37 because just as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes.
Mat 24:38 In those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage right up to the day when Noah went into the ark.
Mat 24:39 They were unaware of what was happening until the flood came and swept all of them away. That's how it will be when the Son of Man comes.
His point is that life went on as usual up to the Flood, implying that in "marrying and giving in marriage" babies were also born.
I understand your point of view. However, where I disagree is in how God creates children. It is a mystery to me, so I will not claim my view is totally correct. There are verses that indicate the hand of God in the creation of children but he has also set up laws of procreation. I do not believe that God creates a child to be aborted, for example, but they are born due to the laws of procreation. As I say, verses such as Psalms 131, "you formed me from my mother's womb" indicate his involvement. However, God does not go against his own Word, and when he made the laws of nature, He does not take them back nor stop them. So gravity pulls us down at all times. If an innocent child steps off a cliff he will fall to the bottom. The verse that Satan quoted Jesus in his temptation about angels catching him lest he break a bone is clearly about Jesus not the rest of us, although, I suppose if one has faith in the verse without doubt, this may happen. I fell off a 25 foot ladder and landed on the ground breaking my foot, but when I looked up to the ceiling, I saw that the ladder became entangled in some electric wiring so it did not fall on my head. I believe an angel intercepted the ladder so it would not harm me, but I still fell to the ground.Yes it is speculation because the scripture is so unclear. But I examine the days of Noah a lot because I cannot imagine the thoughts of every person being evil continually. But that is what scripture says was going on. I can see our Father loving people so much that He would not allow babies to be born during that time because all they would learn would be evil. Yes life was happening up to the day the flood came, but, Peter said there will be scoffers in the last days saying where is His coming?. There were prob ably scoffers in Noah's day as well denying the coming of the flood. Imagine
a world sooo evil that God chose to destroy all flesh, saving only eight. Really, I can't speculate about it.And Lord Jesus said that the coming tribulation will be worse than even the flood was.
Matt. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Yes life went on as usual, but, how evil was the usual life at that time? We complain about evil that is happening now. But our Father is still showing grace and mercy. The sun shines and it rains on the just and on the unjust. One day this will not be so.
I understand your point of view. However, where I disagree is in how God creates children. It is a mystery to me, so I will not claim my view is totally correct. There are verses that indicate the hand of God in the creation of children but he has also set up laws of procreation. I do not believe that God creates a child to be aborted, for example, but they are born due to the laws of procreation. As I say, verses such as Psalms 131, "you formed me from my mother's womb" indicate his involvement. However, God does not go against his own Word, and when he made the laws of nature, He does not take them back nor stop them. So gravity pulls us down at all times. If an innocent child steps off a cliff he will fall to the bottom. The verse that Satan quoted Jesus in his temptation about angels catching him lest he break a bone is clearly about Jesus not the rest of us, although, I suppose if one has faith in the verse without doubt, this may happen. I fell off a 25 foot ladder and landed on the ground breaking my foot, but when I looked up to the ceiling, I saw that the ladder became entangled in some electric wiring so it did not fall on my head. I believe an angel intercepted the ladder so it would not harm me, but I still fell to the ground.
Well, we see in scripture where our Father can shut up the womb and open the womb. For instance we read
1 Samuel 1:
5 But unto Hannah he gave a worthy portion; for he loved Hannah: but the Lord had shut up her womb.
6 And her adversary also provoked her sore, for to make her fret, because the Lord had shut up her womb.
If He did it before, He can do it again. Peter walked on the water, so ,imho, it can and probably does happen even today.
I understand. I hope I have given you something to ponder.I have been studying the days of Noah for a long time and thinking about what was happening that was so grievous to our Father that He needed to destroy all flesh. I don't think many Christians can imagine how bad those days were. When I see how the world we live in is spiraling downward with great lies and deceptions, confusion and utter darkness, and I think that it is going to get worse before it gets better.Handmaid, I am just thinking out loud here, not making a case.
All of God's holy people will be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land. Families and old folk, ALL will be as God always intended His people to be. Zechariah 8:1-8
They will eventually be conquered by the Anti-Christ, Zechariah 14:1-2, but some [most?] will be taken to a place of safety. Rev 12:14
This is a correct statement. There is no final redemption for the Jews, as rapture believers must think.
Many prophesies say that only a remnant of the Jews will be saved. Those who have become Christian now.
All of God's holy people will be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land. Families and old folk, ALL will be as God always intended His people to be. Zechariah 8:1-8
They will eventually be conquered by the Anti-Christ, Zechariah 14:1-2,
I agree. What you seem to be wrestling with is when is the age of accountability to God? Jews have their Bar and Bat Mitzvahs at 13 to declare that age. Catholics have Confirmation at 12 but believe it is necessary to water baptize infants in case the child dies before the age of accountability. I don't know when that age is because I have known 5 year olds who clearly knew Jesus and were born again.I understand. I hope I have given you something to ponder.I have been studying the days of Noah for a long time and thinking about what was happening that was so grievous to our Father that He needed to destroy all flesh. I don't think many Christians can imagine how bad those days were. When I see how the world we live in is spiraling downward with great lies and deceptions, confusion and utter darkness, and I think that it is going to get worse before it gets better.
I was baptized at the age of 9, so you are right, some children come to Jesus at a very early age. Jesus mentioned very young children, sucklings, toddlers.So that is really what I am referring to.I agree. What you seem to be wrestling with is when is the age of accountability to God? Jews have their Bar and Bat Mitzvahs at 13 to declare that age. Catholics have Confirmation at 12 but believe it is necessary to water baptize infants in case the child dies before the age of accountability. I don't know when that age is because I have known 5 year olds who clearly knew Jesus and were born again.
As Paul says: he is a Benjaminite and he became Christian, therefore saved. But those Jews and anyone else who reject Jesus will eventually be destroyed. Revelation 20:15Hi keras
What do you think about this scripture? Romans 11:15 reveals the recieving of the Jews
And also ...Romans 11:1-5 and Romans 11:11-12? And revelation 7:4-8?
Paul reveals the calling of Israel is not changed Romans 11:25-29 promises where made to the children of Israel and they will be fulfilled as well
Exactly as Revelation 13:7, Daniel 11:32 and Daniel 7:25 say. And as there is but one people of God; John 17:22-23, Romans 2:11, Ephesians 4:4-6, it is the Christians who are there, living in peace and prosperity, as is well prophesied. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10You believe a gathering of gods holy people takes place first to Beulah only to eventually conquered by the antichrist?
As Paul says: he is a Benjaminite and he became Christian, therefore saved. But those Jews and anyone else who reject Jesus will eventually be destroyed. Revelation 20:15
You are contradicting much scripture to think otherwise. Galatians 3:26-29, Romans 9:8
Exactly as Revelation 13:7, Daniel 11:32 and Daniel 7:25 say. And as there is but one people of God; John 17:22-23, Romans 2:11, Ephesians 4:4-6, it is the Christians who are there, living in peace and prosperity, as is well prophesied. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10
The Lord saves them from the Gog/Magog attack, Joel 2:20, but He allows the AC. to conquer them. Zechariah 14:1-2 'Many', Daniel 9:27, will remain in the Land, facing the Great Tribulation, Revelation 12:17, and those who kept faithful will be taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 All will be gathered at Jesus' Return. Matthew 24:30-31
The Jews are in no way excluded, they have the same opportunity as anyone to accept salvation. Mostly they continue to reject it, just like the rest of the world.To exclude the Jews from receiving the promises is a contradiction of scripture
The false prophets and leaders are already among us. I have 4 scriptures that plainly say that God's Holy people are in all of the holy Land, soon after the Day of Wrath.All who go to Beulah before the time will be following false messiahs and false prophets
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