Originally posted by Behe's Boy
If you are going to make claims such as "back in the 1500s the protestants believed this or that" or "Martin Luther said this or that" or "early American Christians believed this or that" - then I suggest you back up your information with a credible source. With no source your historical views are your opinions and nothing else - and what does any of this have to do with hell?
Originally posted by Behe's Boy
If you are going to make claims such as "back in the 1500s the protestants believed this or that" or "Martin Luther said this or that" or "early American Christians believed this or that" - then I suggest you back up your information with a credible source. With no source your historical views are your opinions and nothing else - and what does any of this have to do with hell?
Originally posted by thetruthseeker
Hi JohnR7.
I will give more detail on this in a little while.
The confusion of the Futurist view of prophecy centers on the interpretation of Daniel 9 . You will find that the proper interpretation of Daniel 9 will clear up things. You will find that the Futurist view is grossly distorted and not consistant with the whole Bible.
Thanks.
Your brother in Christ,
TheTruthSeeker
...Not long ago he had a cardiac arrest, and the doctors pronounced him clinically dead. (In the last year or so numerous scientists have reported on more than five hundred people who have been pronounced clinically dead and have been resuscitated. Whatever that means, we may not wholly know, but the reports they bring back have convinced scientists that there is life beyond death.) Later he was resuscitated, but he told me that during his "death" he experienced the following: he sank into a realm of darkness, a place of dark shadows -- yet still he had a body. He found himself in great agony pushing a huge stone into a pit. (The Bible speaks of a pit.) He was in great pain, and there was nothing he coudl do to diminish it.
"If you got shot in the arm," he said, "yould at least grab your arm and get some slight lessoning of pain, but not so with this."
I asked, "Where was it? Was it localized?"
His answer was, "No, it was everywhere. I am quite certain that if I had cut my throat I would not have had less pain at all."
Originally posted by coastie
Dr. D. James Kennedy in his book Why I Believe he recounts an interview with a man who had an "after death experience" (keep in mind that this man was not a Christian and knew very little about the Bible.
I really like Dr. Kennedy and his ministry. He has done quite a few interviews that were very similar to this one.
Maybe flames are a description of the intense pain because I can think of no pain worse than burning alive.
Zach
Maybe flames are a description of the intense pain because I can think of no pain worse than burning alive.
Originally posted by thetruthseeker
Hi Coastie,
Let's not go by heresy, but the Bible. Flames are flames. Let's test the spirit.
My mother once experienced a deep comma that lasted about 4 days. This happened after child birth (my older sister). She experienced being in nothingness while from time to time hearing the people who where caring for her ailment. Physical trauma affects people differently. Many people are affected mentally at least temporarily by intense physical trauma.
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish .
Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD , neither any that go down into silence.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. This does not distinguish between the good or the bad.
Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing , neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish , and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away .
Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up , saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch .
The dead do not know anything. However, the dead will be resurrected at Jesus' second coming. It will not be a secret rapture as the Futurist view of prophecy states . All eyes will see Him at His second coming.
Matthew 24:25-27 Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers ; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout , with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first : Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord . Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
2 Peter 3:10-12 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise , and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up . Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him , and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Thanks for your reply, Coastie.
Your brother in Christ,
TheTruthSeeker
Originally posted by kern
Thoughts on your anti-Catholicism, or the topic of the thread?
-Chris
Originally posted by Sharky
Ahem. Back on topic...
We are all sinners who deserve to burn in hell. But guess what? God never wanted that for us. He sent Jesus down to save us. Took all our sins and sent them down to hell. And really Jesus does want to be your best friend. He saved you so that you may have salvation.
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