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Don't forget when we do it to our own soldiers for training!
It doesn't look like we can have a reasonable discussion about torture with Karate.
Ringo
I think he should put his money where his mouth is.Well according to Karate's posts, I'm thinking he is favor of letting Sean Hannity be water boarded.
The last I checked there were three, yes three different people who were waterboarded. Six years ago. None of whom were harmed. They were not simply people caught in Iraq but terrorist coordinators who had very valuable knowledge that we knew would be imperative to preventing future attacks and they would not otherwise speak. Those were the conditions that Pelosi & Co approved and I think they made the right choice. So I think you can see what I mean as far as scaring them. Do we want our enemies to not fear us?
It scared KSM enough to make him talk.
You're going to scare suicidal people who behead men and women, use irons, whips and kitchen utensils to torture people to death with WATER BOARDING?
If we waterboarded three people six years ago, that was three too many.
Ringo
You yourself have said that it 1) Is absolutely torture 2) Is absolutely wrong . Such absolutist, black and white thinking is the opposite of reasonable discussion. Stop projecting that onto me.It doesn't look like we can have a reasonable discussion about torture with Karate.
Ringo
Except not everyone agrees that it is torture, or even on the definition of torture. If it is torture and torture is ABSOLUTELY YOU'RE SATAN IF YOU DISAGREE wrong like I keep being told then why is it that I don't hear you guys screetching about that? I think it's because you don't really care about it.Training to resist torture. Doesn't that tell you something?
It scared KSM enough to make him talk.
You yourself have said that it 1) Is absolutely torture 2) Is absolutely wrong . Such absolutist, black and white thinking is the opposite of reasonable discussion. Stop projecting that onto me.
Except not everyone agrees that it is torture, or even on the definition of torture. If it is torture and torture is ABSOLUTELY YOU'RE SATAN IF YOU DISAGREE wrong like I keep being told then why is it that I don't hear you guys screetching about that? I think it's because you don't really care about it.
I'm going to have to call a Poe on this one.And demonstrating remarkably.
no it's not. The topic is waterboarding(and Sean Hannity), which does not constitute torture to many people, and the narrowmindedness you guys are demonstrating refuses to recognize it.because the topic is torture -- do try to keep up.
Except I'm not the one who is desperate. Making ultimatums and absolutist thinking like "It's absolutely torture and it's absolutely wrong" are signs of desperation. Since you guys are the ones making such extremist rhetoric then it is pretty obviously you guys who are desperate.Nor is desperately trying to go off on an unrelated subject -- so stop trying.
Again, I'm going to have to call a Poe on that one. Even a child can see the holes in that hunk of Swiss cheese. I guess we're going to have to ask terrorists for permission to shoot them before they shoot us.Actions are only wrong in context. Waterboarding is wrong in that people don't consent to it. Anything anyone consents to do to themselves is fine. It just so happens that waterboarding is an action where very, very few contexts make it acceptable. Why is that hard to understand?
Actions are only wrong in context. Waterboarding is wrong in that people don't consent to it. Anything anyone consents to do to themselves is fine. It just so happens that waterboarding is an action where very, very few contexts make it acceptable. Why is that hard to understand?
Again, I'm going to have to call a Poe on that one. Even a child can see the holes in that hunk of Swiss cheese. I guess we're going to have to ask terrorists for permission to shoot them before they shoot us.
We subject our elite armed forces to waterboarding as part of their SEAR training. Why should terrorists be treated better than our own military?
Those going through such training do so because those are torture techniques that may be used by our enemies.
WE however are better than that.
You yourself have said that it 1) Is absolutely torture 2) Is absolutely wrong . Such absolutist, black and white thinking is the opposite of reasonable discussion. Stop projecting that onto me.
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