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Jimmyjimmy, your words are wise and mostly accurate. For many men, but not for all. Believe me when I say that I know that you're partially right, but not completely.
At this point, don't you think I should put my marriage before me? If I don't, the opposite of saving it may be the result.
With just your post to go on and not personally knowing you both, of course I'm guessing based on experience of human nature. I would never expect to have nailed it.
As the saying goes, you'll never know that Christ is all you need until Christ is all you have. Find your needs met in Him, and if she comes back or not, you will be fine. Of course you will mourn, but you won't be distraught. The fact that you are so distraught is an indication that you have placed your very identity, in some part, where it does not belong, in her. Ask me how I know this. . .
My guess is that the best way for you to win here back is to be so self confident that you truly don't "need" her. IMO, no spouse should place that kind of burden on the other anyway.
Wow...very well put. Thank you for your counsel. Very much needed. I'll do what you say...I see myself a bit clearer and that's never a bad thing. Blessings to you. Please keep me in your prayers as well as my situation.
Ah, J's Husband, I'm sorry to hear that your world is getting turned upside-down. Your situation is not really uncommon, and I've known people in the ministry run into this very thing.
I know it seems random and sudden, and you just want it to go away. But the fact is, it’s been brewing for a long time, and it’s a culmination of mistakes that you didn’t even know you made. You can hide it for awhile, try to maintain appearances, and hope things fall back into place the way they were. But the truth is, it sounds like your wife has already played with that idea – possibly for years – and it simply isn’t good enough. Think honestly about the people in your life that have overcome crises. Did they accomplish this by shaking it off and going back to the blissful way things were? Or were they broken, forced to confront real flaws that don’t just “go away,” and rebuild something entirely different and better?
I think your situation starts with the assumption you both made 22 years ago, that your wife wanted to be a minister’s wife and begin that life right away. Eighteen years is awfully young to embark on any “career,” and most people change careers 3 or more times in a lifetime. What stay-at-home motherhood looks like when you’re young is much different than what it looks like when you’re older, and that’s a hard thing for a young woman to understand. You, being older, were probably more ready for this commitment than she was. That doesn’t mean she would have chosen differently when she was older. It probably means she would have been more certain about it. She may have done things differently too. Now she’s 40 years old, and all the second-guessing and realizations over the years have come to a head, and she feels that if she wants to do something different, it’s now or never.
It sounds like you had the best of intentions, and still do. But clearly you made mistakes, as everyone does. Literally everyone. No one gets their life right on the first try. But brother, you have got to let go of this idea that you got it right, and Satan has suddenly crept in and destroyed it, and your wife just needs to denounce sin and get back with the program! You need to see what she sees. You need to understand what really went wrong, and actually be able to accept that things did go wrong, and meet her where her heart is. I can’t claim to know what she feels, but as a woman of a similar age (but different life trajectory), I’m going to guess in order to give you a prompt.
Perhaps she feels that by marrying an older man, likely already established in his education and career, she missed out on most of the hardships of young adulthood and the rewards of it. It seems easy at first. By marrying an older man, you skip the low-wage jobs, the impossible budgeting, the crummy housing. But you also grow up without all the life experiences that those trials teach, and when she talks with her peers over the years, she may very well feel “gypped” out of those trials that you and her both thought she was being “spared” from. And she isn’t wrong. As a woman married half as long, I can say those years were the hardest but most crucial parts of the life my husband and I forged together. Understand that she didn’t get to experience that.
Perhaps she feels she missed out on an education and everything that comes with it. I suspect she did, in fact, get some post-secondary education because your timeline puts her first child at age 24. But if I know anything about evangelical families, that could mean a very sheltered childhood of homeschool/private school and a continued education that is seminary… none of which really exposes a student to cultures and opportunities outside evangelicalism and ministry. I grew up in an evangelical family, and in fact got a lot of pressure and grief for not going into missionary work, but I must say that my secular college education was a rich, faith-affirming experience that I highly value. Sometimes Christians create these “bubbles” for themselves that are really stifling. Try to understand what this means for your wife.
Perhaps she does not feel like she has connections to society. People feel connected to each other within families, within churches, within work environments, schools and regular community programs. They don’t form meaningful connections by shopping, attending sermons, doing chores or going to one-time events. Stay-at-home mothers complain about this lack of connection more than anything else! They may feel no one depends on them, that they are not providing services to anyone that are valued. There’s pressure, accountability, and appreciation that comes with having a “role,” whether it’s employment or a position. If, as a minister’s wife, she is not actually taking a leadership role in a church, and her children are getting older, it’s very possible that she feels her life lacks connections. It may be hard to articulate this feeling, but as a woman I can tell you it is most likely the biggest problem your wife is facing. Take a look at the connections that other women in the church have, in the 50+ age range. Husbands? Grown kids? Grandkids? That is what she is approaching. Imagine your place in the world if you had been unemployed for the past 20 years, had no specific skill set, and were thrown into an unfamiliar community. Who would you be? Understand what this scenario means for a woman!
She may also be feeling a pinch from your age difference. If you’re not active in the same social groups, or you fraternize with adults near retirement while she hangs out with people sort of at the height of their careers, it might start to feel like you’re in two different worlds. Time and health will only exacerbate the difference. Understand what life looks like for a 40-year-old and don’t try to make her appreciate a life that is more suited for much older women.
Finally, I believe the best thing you have to offer her and your marriage is sincerity. Be willing to listen to her and apologize and cry, and be willing to get on the same page as her. Throwing logic and scripture or guilt trips of any kind at her, or begging her to go back to the way things were, does not show sincere love. She has tried the faithful, scripture-based life and she is not happy. Accept that. Accept that things went wrong and that may not be what is in store for your family any more.
I know you think it will compromise your ministry if you don’t hide these events, but I disagree. Ministries do not serve people by creating an example of life and family that is not real. Let them see your struggles and faith and God’s grace in honesty. Let your kids see marriage how it honestly is. Show them what it looks like to face real devastation and be broken, and yet respond in love and devotion, and don’t let the work of the Spirit in your life be hidden. That doesn’t mean air your dirty laundry, fight in public, or confide in your kids all the sinful details you perceive in each other. Be honest that you are having a struggle, but that you love each other and you are trying, and that both of you are dedicated to the kids. They will value your honesty and trust you more for it.
How are you? Any change?
Hi,
Thank you for checking in. I'm doing ok. I'm improving by the day. Your advice was very hard and was advanced for me. Over the past month, I've gotten near the place I need to be to follow your advice. It's been a daily whirlwind and I'm growing downward so that Christ can be lifted in me. I think my peace is in my decrease and His increase in me. I did post an update this morning (
UPDATE: http://www.christianforums.com/threads/wife-surprised-me-with-separation.7978532).
Thank you again, please keep me in your prayers.
Hi,Hi. Have read some of your posts and will read more. You speak
of being inline for the job as head pastor at a different church. How
much has your wife participated in what you refer to as "my ministry"?
Did she know you wanted to preach when she married you at 18? What
were you already doing towards that goal at thirty?
Hi again,
How are you doing? Are you still losing weight like you mentioned before was happening? There are so many things I would like to say. First, I don't understand as to the Daniel Fast and others pray in squads with Captains and such. When your wife won't let you kiss her, then why don't you send her one through the air? Tell her that you left some on her car for her? Do you call her sweet names - like honey, babe? The first thing I would do is make sure neither of you has been cheating or has the desire to cheat. She has taken off her wedding band and that tells me that you are starting at the bottom to try to restore the belief in her that you are in love with her and adore her. She cares about the kids, so that's good! Do you tell her that you worry about her when she is away? You care how she is getting along away from home? This is not a sudden she just up and left situation, as it has been building for years - as in not cuddling. You also need to know is she a Christian or not. Communication has been shut off at her end for now, so you just need to take small steps to get to what made her feel like leaving at night. She missed out on what? What can she not do that she can't do married - other than marry or date someone else? Send her kisses that look for the most gorgeous lady in town. Let her know how much she means to you and her needs mean to you.
Thanks. You and your family also have a good Christmas.
Maybe we can talk after it sometime about what makes
you think God revealed this part to you as to prayer squads
and doing the Daniel Fast for 21 days. I do know personally
what it is like when the Almighty God gives us information...
such as to current events...danger...our calling for Him...when to
witness in odd places. Have had outright miracles by Him...healed
sight...blood tests...and more. It seems you have asked people to start
this nearly an hour a day of praying for your family...7 minutes...7 times a
day...some begin by eating no meat...mostly vegetables...and water...wine?
Well, I wonder how use are those people to praying to stick it out for 7 minutes for your needs. Me...cannot do the fasting part as need the iron
that comes easily absorbed from meat. Each person is to pray for your family
...marriage for one week...7 mintues...each...7 times a day...started 7 AM or such...not sure if that is as to each day, and you believe that God told you this is how your wife will come back...as in restore your marriage? What do you think God wants you to do when the 21 days are over? Me, personally, I would not be a part of squads you set up. It seems you are taking up time during the holidays in other persons' lives. How did you get them to agree to this?
Have never heard of anything like prayer squads or such where everybody
is to pray at set times for so many days. You have asked us on the board to
join for the final week...or just pray some when we can. You have given counsel to others as a pastor? What did you tell them? Did you suggest asking people to be on their prayer squads for so many days and fast?
You have to do what you believe is right. Just curious. How often do you
think God revealed something to you that was outright from Him and how
much time are you spending on your knees seeking His guidance in this
situation? You are inline for head pastor at another church, yet to me this
is when a couple...not just the husband is ready to lead a congregation. Seems that you would need to work as a team. Both of you are not even there
for each other. How can you lead others...as in shepherd a flock? Not
trying to judge you in any way, just trying to learn. Maybe this setting times
and such is what a lot of Christians do with other people joining them in prayer. Just a tidbit to add...was raised going to a Methodist church....then
started going to a Baptist church at fourteen...born-again at fifteen...many many years ago. Will pray that God helps you and wife draw closer to each
other and get back that spark that first caused you to set your eyes on each
other 22 years ago.