Wicca - Good or Evil

[leewood1987]

Right, seeing as my other one died - new discussion. Wicca; is it the "evil, demonic cult" portrayed by the medieval-minded Christians or is there really some good in this earth religion? Discuss...

 

[Existential1]

Too tired to discuss.

But I just read a Volos authored sketch of the Wiccan perspective, in another thread: and it all smelt rather nice; pretty natural.

So, what that sketch triggered for me: was more to do with how Christianity can so often manufacture its own theologically mediated lanscape; into which it can dissapear, to no good purpose.

I suppose I felt a breeze from the real world, in this Wiccan word: and then thought, why is this breeze absent, so often, from the Christian word.
Christianity can so often be cerebrally driven, and into conceptual cul-de-sacs that jsut have no reality.
There is no way I would turn to the Wiccan, I'm too much of a Christ addict: but it makes you think of what's gone missing; and you wonder just why.

 

[Letalis]

A lie is always evil.

 

[Existential1]

A lie is always evil.

Do you have a particular lie in mind?

 

[Stellar Vision]

I have no problem with people practicing Wicca. It baffles me why there's still hatred toward this religion.

I really don't know that much about Wicca; the other threads are incredible long. I've read some posts that gave a pretty thorough overview of the religion, but I personally have not had any experience with it.

 

[Maria Mante]

There nothing wrong with being Wiccan. It isn't evil and I don't believe it is.

 

[Arikay]

Its an evil religion. of course.

I think by "lie" Letalis means that he thinks christianity is the truth and so wicca being a lie is evil. But I wouldn't feel too bad as I bet he think all religions besides christianity are evil.

 

[bt_st_At]

Wicca does the samething to people as Christianity does for people. So the rules are different and so on and so forth. The idea of both is that you live a good life learn from mistakes and don't harm others.

That doesn't seem all that evil to me but who knows...

 

[Lifesaver]

It is evil, first because it is false, and also morally because it doesn't even accept the reality of sin, and thus doesn't stress the necessite of repentance.

 

[bt_st_At]

It is evil, first because it is false, and also morally because it doesn't even accept the reality of sin, and thus doesn't stress the necessite of repentance.

Stop comparing it to the rules and by-laws of Christianity if it followed those rules it wouldn't be called Wicca my friend.

And the reality of Sin is that IS Evil we don't go to Hell we get our 'hand' smacked whenever we do something wrong teaching us not to do it again. It works the same way with everyone else you just don't except/acknowledge it the same way we do. It's called the Three-folds Law or KARMA!!!

To the False comment just because you have a book stating it is false doesn't mean it is, I'm sorry it just doesn't work that way. However believe what you wish until you look into the matter throughly you will be wrong..(just an opinion)

Okay done for now
Blessed Be

 

[April_May_mylittleangel]

I am christion. But i am interested in other religeons, especially wicca. I don't believe there is a single evil or good religeon out there. It is what you make of it. I myslelf would like to understand and learn different religeons, like wicca budda etc. A single religeon cant be classed as good or evel. as i said. ITS WAT YOU MAKE OF IT. If anyone would like to share some info or something on your religeon or belief, give me the low down for all means. I'd be happy to understand you better.

 

[bt_st_At]

I am christion. But i am interested in other religeons, especially wicca. I don't believe there is a single evil or good religeon out there. It is what you make of it. I myslelf would like to understand and learn different religeons, like wicca budda etc. A single religeon cant be classed as good or evel. as i said. ITS WAT YOU MAKE OF IT. If anyone would like to share some info or something on your religeon or belief, give me the low down for all means. I'd be happy to understand you better.

Well at least someone here doesn't think it's evil...sheesh

Blessed Be

 

[e=mv^2]

Any religion, doctrine, teaching, information, speech or thought that denies Christ is evil.

Any of the above that lead people away from God is evil.

Any of the above that call evil good and good evil are evil.

 

[sacred_stone]

Any of the above that lead people away from God is evil.

What about hypocritical Christians who turn people away from God? Are they not evil?

I hate the word "evil". It's a very loaded and offensive term. To say "it's evil because it's a lie" makes that individual, on that token, just as evil for spreading the lie. It's not a lie to us. It's not a false doctrine. Why do Christians insist upon calling Wiccans and other world religions "evil"? We don't do that just because we don't follow your beliefs system. We don't worship a book, clergyman, etc. We don't worship a god that requires our 24/7 begging for forgiveness. We don't go into the Wiccan faith out of fear (dieing and going to hell).

 

[Lifesaver]

What about hypocritical Christians who turn people away from God? Are they not evil?

In so far as hipocrisy is evil, yes they are (if they are truly hipocritical, of course).

I hate the word "evil". It's a very loaded and offensive term. To say "it's evil because it's a lie" makes that individual, on that token, just as evil for spreading the lie.

It depends on whether he is culpable or not for spreading something false.

It's not a lie to us.

When something is not true, sacred_stone, it is not true for everyone. If magick doesn't exist, it doesn't exist for everyone.

Why do Christians insist upon calling Wiccans and other world religions "evil"?

God is good, and all that He created is good.
Anything that detracts one's path from good, that is, from the path of God, is evil.

We don't do that just because we don't follow your beliefs system. We don't worship a book, clergyman, etc.

And neither do Christians.

We don't worship a god that requires our 24/7 begging for forgiveness. We don't go into the Wiccan faith out of fear (dieing and going to hell).

Do you not beg forgiveness to God?
Or do you think you don't need to be forgiven?

 

[sacred_stone]

In so far as hipocrisy is evil, yes they are (if they are truly hipocritical, of course).

Oh okay, so as long as we're on the same page let me throw this little tidbit of information out to you. Wiccans/Pagans/Satanists/Buddhists/Etc. do not recruit, proselytize, or evangelize to gain members. Christianity, on the other hand, is famous for trying to convert and recruit members. We pretty much stay to ourselves and only discuss our beliefs when prompted. I don't go handing out literature on Wicca or Paganism and tell people to join us if they want to live eternally.

Now, this may come as a shock to you, but almost every non-christian I know was either raised in a Christian home, or converted to Christianity at some point in their childhood or teen years. Most were forced to attend church until they moved away from home. They didn't de-convert because they encountered a Wiccan somewhere. They turned away from Christianity because of other Christians. So as you see, it's not us who are doing the leading away from Christianity. It's other Christians.

When something is not true, sacred_stone, it is not true for everyone. If magick doesn't exist, it doesn't exist for everyone.

Well I'm glad you think you have a handle on something as grandios and complex as universal truth (which, for the most part, is a Christian conjured myth).

God is good, and all that He created is good.
Anything that detracts one's path from good, that is, from the path of God, is evil.

But whose to say your god is the correct one, therefore rendering it universal truth and everything else is wrong? Are you so limited in mental capacity that you lack the ability to comprehend concepts regarding more than one deity? You are basing your belief (that your god is the only "correct" one and that everyone else is wrong and evil) on a book and faith. I base my beliefs on the same thing. So how do we know whose right and whose wrong? We don't.

Do you not beg forgiveness to God?

Not hardly. My Gods and Goddesses don't have an ego complex like yours does.

Or do you think you don't need to be forgiven?

Not by my Deities. If I wrong someone then of course, I need to seek their forgiveness. But I don't need my "sins" to be absolved by a wrathful and possessive god.

 

[challenger]

When something is not true, sacred_stone, it is not true for everyone. If magick doesn't exist, it doesn't exist for everyone.

By the same token, if God doesn't exist, He doesn't exist for everyone; if Jesus was never the Christ, then he wasn't the Christ for anyone.

Why assume that your archaic system of mysticism is more valid than anyone else's archaic system of mysticism?

 

[Isis-Astoroth]

Good and Evil is a human concept, therefore Wicca cannot be evil. I commend Wiccans in my home country for demanding that they are not descriminated against and that some of their religion is taught in school. I find it a shame that 'smaller' religions are pushed aside and classed as unimportant.

 

[Cordelia]

It doesn't make a lot of sense to call Wicca 'evil', with all its emphasis on goodness. I'm a Christian...with a lot of respect for core Wiccan beliefs. I would never claim to speak for God and denounce them as evil.

 

[WiccanHeart]

It is evil, first because it is false, and also morally because it doesn't even accept the reality of sin, and thus doesn't stress the necessite of repentance.

I just wanted to expand on the Three fold law and Karma. That is why Wiccans don't accept the reality of 'sin'. The universe pays us back through karma. If we do something in this life or past good or bad it will come back to us 3 times stronger. That is another reason a Wiccan practicing witchcraft would more than likely not do a bad spell because it will come back 3 times. There is no need for the Gods to forgive us necessarily because it will come back to us eventually. This is not to say we do anything we want. We follow "An' it harm none, do what thou will" to keep us in check as well.

Let me ask a question. Do you think Wicca is evil solely because it is not Christianity and therefore a "lie" to you or it's practices. Do you differenciate Wiccan from Satanism(which isn't evil either)? Do you know our practices at all? Forgive me if this has been talked about before. These threads get long fast and I don't read *all* of the posts.

Blessed Be,

WiccanHeart