Why.

[Uphill Battle]

so, instead of following down that path, you think its better to come up with a new style of worship that Christ HASNT fulfilled? there is no connection between Evangelical worship and that of Judaism which Christ fulfilled.

Worship style? You think Christ came to fulfil WORSHIP STYLE?

oy vey.

The Church = Those Jews and Gentiles called out who have been baptized and share in a common communion.

Do we share in a common cup?

Forgive me...

you know, ordinarily, I respect the EO. I cannot respect this though. It is, I'm afraid, stuck up and elitist. They call themselves the True Church, they exclude all others, they deny communion with others because they don't neccessarily accept every caveat of what you believe, and then turn around and say "but God saves whom he wills." You are denying other people who place their faith in Jesus Christ as part of his body, and then placing them under the same holy lottery system of God might save them that you do with false religions of the world.

well, hope your spot on the pedestal is warm.

Your particular religious institution - the Orthodox church refuses to share communion with others.

bingo.

 

[christianmomof3]

Why would we show ourselves to believe the same as those who believe differently?

That is what communion means... "We believe the same things".

If I take communion with you I am making a statement.

Forgive me...

Hmm, I thought communion referred to the bread and the wine. Learn something new every day.
We do need to pray about taking the bread and wine with others.
Even if your religious institution did offer your bread and wine to me, I would have to pray and ask the Lord if He wanted me to partake of it with you.
If you were to come to a meeting of the church that I meet with, the bread and wine would be offered to you and you would also need to pray about whether you should or should not partake of it with us.
We can only be in oneness when we are in Christ and when we take Christ as everything and set aside everything else.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hmm, I thought communion referred to the bread and the wine. Learn something new every day.
We do need to pray about taking the bread and wine with others.
Even if your religious institution did offer your bread and wine to me, I would have to pray and ask the Lord if He wanted me to partake of it with you.
If you were to come to a meeting of the church that I meet with, the bread and wine would be offered to you and you would also need to pray about whether you should or should not partake of it with us.
We can only be in oneness when we are in Christ and when we take Christ as everything and set aside everything else.

But I can not partake of that. Because I do not believe as you do.

Taking it... I would be saying that you and I are in full agreement on DOGMA.

Forgive me...

 

[Uphill Battle]

Why would we show ourselves to believe the same as those who believe differently?

That is what communion means... "We believe the same things".

If I take communion with you I am making a statement.

Forgive me...

no, you're not.

you're sharing the believe and rememberance of Christ Crucified and Risen.

it doesn't have squat to do with recognizing all the other beliefs.

if you make it this, you are making it something that was not intended.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

no, you're not.

you're sharing the believe and rememberance of Christ Crucified and Risen.

it doesn't have squat to do with recognizing all the other beliefs.

if you make it this, you are making it something that was not intended.

We already knew that we believe differently.

It should not suprise you that we believe this.

Forgive me....

 

[Uphill Battle]

We already knew that we believe differently.

It should not suprise you that we believe this.

Forgive me....

of course not. no suprise. you're the true church, and we're heretics outside the body of Christ.

no suprise that we don't agree.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

of course not. no suprise. you're the true church, and we're heretics outside the body of Christ.

no suprise that we don't agree.

If you say so. When did you start getting angry with me?

Forgive me...

 

[Uphill Battle]

If you say so. When did you start getting angry with me?

Forgive me...

not you. Just the whole thing. The whole EO attitude of placing eveyone who's not a carbon copy of them outside the body of Christ, and then pretending they don't judge.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

not you. Just the whole thing. The whole EO attitude of placing eveyone who's not a carbon copy of them outside the body of Christ, and then pretending they don't judge.

It's not pretend. I'm not judging you, just attempting to explain the Orthodox view.

For instance, why would you call yourself a heretic. Your no ya know.

Forgive me...

 

[Uphill Battle]

It's not pretend. I'm not judging you, just attempting to explain the Orthodox view.

For instance, why would you call yourself a heretic. Your no ya know.

Forgive me...

and the Orthodox view non-Orthodox as outside the body of Christ.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

and the Orthodox view non-Orthodox as outside the body of Christ.

Incorrect... we say we don't know.

In fact, your spiritual life may be more health than mine.

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/status.aspx

Forgive me...

 

[jckstraw72]

Christ only has one life.
If we are in it, we are in oneness.
His life is not a religion or a doctrine.
It is life.
It is Christ.

then why does Paul talk about doctrine so much?

 

[jckstraw72]

Worship style? You think Christ came to fulfil WORSHIP STYLE?

you DONT believe Christ is the fulfillment of Jewish worship? that seems to be the gist of much of Hebrews.

and the Orthodox view non-Orthodox as outside the body of Christ.

look, every Christian does it. do you consider Mormons and JWs and Arians and Gnostics, etc etc to be Christians? ive never met a Christian who considers those groups Christian -- and WHY do they exclude them? bc of what they believe.

 

[jckstraw72]

and its not elitism -- heck, fellow Orthodox are excluded from communion sometimes. ive certainly done nothing special.

 

[Uphill Battle]

you DONT believe Christ is the fulfillment of Jewish worship? that seems to be the gist of much of Hebrews.

I don't view that is the mission of Christ, no.


[quote[]
look, every Christian does it. do you consider Mormons and JWs and Arians and Gnostics, etc etc to be Christians? ive never met a Christian who considers those groups Christian -- and WHY do they exclude them? bc of what they believe.[/quote]
Mormons? I'm sure some Mormans will be in heaven. and some JW's. And because "every Christian does it" that makes it right. Gotcha.

and its not elitism -- heck, fellow Orthodox are excluded from communion sometimes. ive certainly done nothing special.

that's rather sad.

 

[christianmomof3]

then why does Paul talk about doctrine so much?

Christ is not doctrine. Christ is God. Paul warned the saints about chasing after false doctrine and winds of false teaching because those things would lead the saints away from Christ. The only purpose of proper doctrine is to lead people to Christ. Christ is the goal - not doctrine. To think that doctrine is more important than Christ is like keeping the box and throwing away the diamond.

 

[jckstraw72]

that's rather sad.

its not sad at all. its beautiful that Orthodoxy takes the spiritual life so seriously.

Mormons? I'm sure some Mormans will be in heaven. and some JW's. And because "every Christian does it" that makes it right. Gotcha.

so are Mormons and JWs Christians?

 

[Uphill Battle]

its not sad at all. its beautiful that Orthodoxy takes the spiritual life so seriously.



so are Mormons and JWs Christians?

yes, some of them.

Just like some Catholics, some EO, some Protestants.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

There are two things required to take communion in an Orthodox Church.

baptism and confession.

Forgive me...

 

[christianmomof3]

Incorrect... we say we don't know.

In fact, your spiritual life may be more health than mine.

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/status.aspx

Forgive me...

interesting. is this the message board referred to in the last section of the book?