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Why are so many people so engrossed in and seem to relish in the misery of the Terri Schiavo's case? All of the discussions are mere speculation by all of the outside observers. Is it the same reason people run and watch a fire or slow down at car accidents, morbid curiosity?

Why has this case captured the eye of the very fickle American public when hundreds of people die each year under similar circumstances, feeding tubes removed, life support turned off, etc? :scratch:
 

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Well unfortunately it seems to be a tangible example of many current debates running in society.

There's the pro life side who are firmly against the euthinasia supporters.

Then there's the issues of law which have been brought up, something which has made a lot of people edgy of late.

It is a tragic story and it is a shame that it has become about issues far greater than the poor people involved.
 
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mhatten said:
Why are so many people so engrossed in and seem to relish in the misery of the Terri Schiavo's case? All of the discussions are mere speculation by all of the outside observers. Is it the same reason people run and watch a fire or slow down at car accidents, morbid curiosity?

Why has this case captured the eye of the very fickle American public when hundreds of people die each year under similar circumstances, feeding tubes removed, life support turned off, etc? :scratch:
Because it has so much to say about this disgusting society that has no value for a life that they don't see as productive. It matters not if it is a life that has not been born, a person with brain damage, or a person who is in their later years. People are quick to murder and this is one such case. Those judges, her husband, and everyone else involved are nothing but filthy murderers and should be punished as such.
 
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mhatten said:
Why are so many people so engrossed in and seem to relish in the misery of the Terri Schiavo's case? All of the discussions are mere speculation by all of the outside observers. Is it the same reason people run and watch a fire or slow down at car accidents, morbid curiosity?

Why has this case captured the eye of the very fickle American public when hundreds of people die each year under similar circumstances, feeding tubes removed, life support turned off, etc? :scratch:

In this case, the parents want and have the means to take care of their daughter, yet are being forcefully held back from doing so. This separates the case from many others. We have an adulterer who wants to marry his fiance, but has the potential to lose lots of money if he divorces his wife and allows her parents to take care of her. The judicial branch took the side of the husband, and the legislative and executive branches have no ability to change that decision so the woman starves and dehydrates with her parents watching helplessly. This case is an incarnation of everything wrong in America. We let an innocent woman die of thirst yet if we did the same to Timothy McVeigh it would be cruel and unusual. That's why I pay attention to this case, and I am happy to know that Mr Schiavo is not able to kill off his wife without the watchful eye of the public prying into his "personal business".
 
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I think the attraction is that we all internalize the issues and wonder about ourselves and our loved ones. What would I want done if it were me? What would I do if it were my spouse? My child? My family?

Yes, tubes are put in and taken out every single day, but generally, we hear nothing about it becasue it never becomes public. The curtain has been pulled backand we can all see the drama and turmoil that goes on in every instance (to greater or lesser degrees) that is usually hidden from us. We usually only face the situation when someone we love is involved and then we are not onlookers and we don't have the opportunity, or often the energy, to debate and evaluate.
 
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mhatten said:
Why are so many people so engrossed in and seem to relish in the misery of the Terri Schiavo's case? All of the discussions are mere speculation by all of the outside observers. Is it the same reason people run and watch a fire or slow down at car accidents, morbid curiosity?

Why has this case captured the eye of the very fickle American public when hundreds of people die each year under similar circumstances, feeding tubes removed, life support turned off, etc? :scratch:

I'm not interested at all in the actual case. What I find interesting is the Christian fundamentalists’ reaction to it, the obvious denial of reality, and the gross hypocrisy of the Republicans in Washington.
 
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mhatten said:
Why are so many people so engrossed in and seem to relish in the misery of the Terri Schiavo's case? All of the discussions are mere speculation by all of the outside observers. Is it the same reason people run and watch a fire or slow down at car accidents, morbid curiosity?

Why has this case captured the eye of the very fickle American public when hundreds of people die each year under similar circumstances, feeding tubes removed, life support turned off, etc? :scratch:

Because it's time that the atrocities of man against God captured the eye of the fickle American public, and the number of people who die every year under the sme circumstances in NO WAY lessens the wrongness of starving this one lady.
 
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mhatten said:
Why are so many people so engrossed in and seem to relish in the misery of the Terri Schiavo's case? All of the discussions are mere speculation by all of the outside observers. Is it the same reason people run and watch a fire or slow down at car accidents, morbid curiosity?

Why has this case captured the eye of the very fickle American public when hundreds of people die each year under similar circumstances, feeding tubes removed, life support turned off, etc? :scratch:

What I continue to find distatseful, but not surprising, is the utter disdain that the majority of America has for the sanctity of life. But alas, when you take out those who are after political gain, this is simply a reflection of those who walk with Christ set apart from the American MAJORITY who do not and will be eternally separated from HIM.

Any self-professing Christian out there who thinks it's okay to legally starve, and therefore, murder this lady needs to check his allegiance and relationship with Jesus Christ.

Yes, I did say it.
 
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Zaac said:
What I continue to find distatseful, but not surprising, is the utter disdain that the majority of America has for the sanctity of life. But alas, when you take out those who are after political gain, this is simply a reflection of those who walk with Christ set apart from the American MAJORITY who do not and will be eternally separated from HIM.

Any self-professing Christian out there who thinks it's okay to legally starve, and therefore, murder this lady needs to check his allegiance and relationship with Jesus Christ.

Yes, I did say it.

What was Terri Schiavo, her thoughts, desires, memories, emotions, died and turn to spinal fluid a decade ago. What remains is a living corpse. But the person who was there prior to the brain having liquified did not wish to be kept alive as a living corpse. Those who would keep her in that state do enormous disrespect to her and the whole notion of life.
 
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crazyfingers said:
What was Terri Schiavo, her thoughts, desires, memories, emotions, died and turn to spinal fluid a decade ago. What remains is a living corpse. But the person who was there prior to the brain having liquified did not wish to be kept alive as a living corpse. Those who would keep her in that state do enormous disrespect to her and the whole notion of life.
But reality is that we do not know that for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are interested in this cause it is so easy to keep her alive and so that should be done until all the tests are run and some honest effort to reabilitate har has been done. Why is murder justified? Why are we allowing this guy to murder his wife? why do we allow mothers and thier "Doctors" to murder their babies??? Why do we murder JESUS by sinning?:scratch: :cry:
 
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crazyfingers said:
What was Terri Schiavo, her thoughts, desires, memories, emotions, died and turn to spinal fluid a decade ago. What remains is a living corpse. But the person who was there prior to the brain having liquified did not wish to be kept alive as a living corpse. Those who would keep her in that state do enormous disrespect to her and the whole notion of life.

It is not the right of those who think she is a living corpse to make the decision as to whether or not she should die.

You said it. She is LIVING.

And it is GOD who purposes when we are to die. And if He had intended for her to be dead, she would be. Her body functions on it's own and merely has to be fed, and for people to take it upon themselves to decide that her life is any less sacred because of her mental capacity are attempting to play God.

So stop it with this "doing her an enormous disrespect" stuff. It does God an enormous disrespect that no matter how many times He has to show man that HE ALONE IS GOD, that man in his extreme arrogance continues to try and usurp that power to do whatever man wants to do.
 
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Most just want their moral views pushed on this lady when they don't know hers.

You can't push your moral views on anyone. If she is in the vegetative state that people keep saying, how would this be possible?

As no one seems to know what her position is, wouldn't it be best to err on the side of letting her live rather than murdring her and being wrong?
 
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I can only say one thing: Thank God we're away from news and whatnot, cuz otherwise our hard jobs would turn harder listening to all of the irrelevant stuff on the news and people's views of soldiers... God Bless...
 
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Zaac said:
It is not the right of those who think she is a living corpse to make the decision as to whether or not she should die.

You said it. She is LIVING.
Does life matter is there is no brain? Suppose someone was in a car crash and some doctor grabbed an arm and stuck a feeding tube in it and kept the arm alive in his basement. WOuld you argue that the arm must be kept alive?

And it is GOD who purposes when we are to die. And if He had intended for her to be dead, she would be. Her body functions on it's own and merely has to be fed, and for people to take it upon themselves to decide that her life is any less sacred because of her mental capacity are attempting to play God.

She wanted to die rather than to be in such a state.

So stop it with this "doing her an enormous disrespect" stuff. It does God an enormous disrespect that no matter how many times He has to show man that HE ALONE IS GOD, that man in his extreme arrogance continues to try and usurp that power to do whatever man wants to do.

I know of no reason to believe that the god that you speak of exists.
 
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But reality is that we do not know that for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes we know for sure that the cerebral cortex is gone or nearly gone. There is no mind left. That is a known fact.

We are interested in this cause it is so easy to keep her alive and so that should be done until all the tests are run and some honest effort to reabilitate har has been done.

All the CAT scans have revealed that the cerebral cortex is gone. An MRI is useless in such a situation. There is NOTHING to rehabilitate.

Why is murder justified? Why are we allowing this guy to murder his wife? why do we allow mothers and thier "Doctors" to murder their babies??? Why do we murder JESUS by sinning?:scratch: :cry:

Face reality.

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crazyfingers said:
Does life matter is there is no brain?

That's God's decision to make. Not ours. Throughout all time, He has handled it just fine. It is only recently through what we term "medical breakthroughs" and technological advances that we have taken it upon ourselves to decide for God that quality of life is more important than life.

Suppose someone was in a car crash and some doctor grabbed an arm and stuck a feeding tube in it and kept the arm alive in his basement. WOuld you argue that the arm must be kept alive?

Terri Schiavo isn't an arm. She's a whole person whose body has kept itself alive just as yours does with no requirement but food and water just like yours.

She wanted to die rather than to be in such a state.

And that's what is at issue between her adulterous husband and her parents. And frankly, a living will has never been intended to say that it's okay to starve someone to death.

How many cases have there been where doctors have starved people to death vs people who had living wills that said that if they cannot breathe on their own for doctors not to take any heroic actions to keep them alive?

This case involves no heroic actions. It involves doing the same thing that you would for a newborn baby.

I know of no reason to believe that the god that you speak of exists.


And your comments attest as such.
 
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Zaac said:
That's God's decision to make. Not ours. Throughout all time, He has handled it just fine. It is only recently through what we term "medical breakthroughs" and technological advances that we have taken it upon ourselves to decide for God that quality of life is more important than life.

What god? Let it speak if it has an opinion.

Terri Schiavo isn't an arm. She's a whole person whose body has kept itself alive just as yours does with no requirement but food and water just like yours.

What is the difference between a body without a brain and a arm?

And that's what is at issue between her adulterous husband and her parents. And frankly, a living will has never been intended to say that it's okay to starve someone to death.

The courts have concluded that she didn't want to be in such a state.

How many cases have there been where doctors have starved people to death vs people who had living wills that said that if they cannot breathe on their own for doctors not to take any heroic actions to keep them alive?

This case involves no heroic actions. It involves doing the same thing that you would for a newborn baby.

Newborn babies have functioning brains.

And your comments attest as such.

And I'll be waiting for evidence that I'm wrong.
 
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Zaac said:
What I continue to find distatseful, but not surprising, is the utter disdain that the majority of America has for the sanctity of life. But alas, when you take out those who are after political gain, this is simply a reflection of those who walk with Christ set apart from the American MAJORITY who do not and will be eternally separated from HIM.

Any self-professing Christian out there who thinks it's okay to legally starve, and therefore, murder this lady needs to check his allegiance and relationship with Jesus Christ.

Yes, I did say it.

Well I know that if I was Terri Schiavo I would not want to exist in that state. In my estimation there is more to life than your heart beating and your body producing wastes.
 
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