Why?

[praying]

I can only say one thing: Thank God we're away from news and whatnot, cuz otherwise our hard jobs would turn harder listening to all of the irrelevant stuff on the news and people's views of soldiers... God Bless...

This has what to do with the OP?

God Bless you!

 

[praying]

Most just want their moral views pushed on this lady when they don't know hers.

There it is, This is what I believe is at the heart of it all.

 

[JamesATL]

This has what to do with the OP?

God Bless you!

My point exactly... I knew nothing about it until I stumbled onto this topic, but then again, I'm stationed in Germany, so I wanted to make a point that people worry and talk too much to see the outside things... I mean let it go, the person is gonna die anyways one way or another. Now, let's concentrate on another topic, IRAN, should we or shouldn't we... See?

 

[praying]

But reality is that we do not know that for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are interested in this cause it is so easy to keep her alive

It is not easy to keep her alive, that it is not, not that that is a reason to let her die but that is a misconception on your part if you think that.

 

[ebonicsonly]

You can't push your moral views on anyone. If she is in the vegetative state that people keep saying, how would this be possible?

As no one seems to know what her position is, wouldn't it be best to err on the side of letting her live rather than murdring her and being wrong?

If no one knows your wishes it's your spouses job to make the choice for you. Some may view marriage as a religious ceremony but in the eyes of the government it's a legal contract between two ppl and no matter if they date, have sex with or even live with someone else a spouse is a spouse.People problem with him is that he is with someone else and that is a moral issue and they are failing to see that not everyone holds the same morals as them.Many couples are seperated but their spouse is still their LEGAL partner.

It's better to let her go to God where she will be be pain free.

 

[Scally Cap]

That's God's decision to make. Not ours. Throughout all time, He has handled it just fine. It is only recently through what we term "medical breakthroughs" and technological advances that we have taken it upon ourselves to decide for God that quality of life is more important than life.

Those "medical breakthroughs" are the very things that kept her alive in the first place, the very things that allowed doctors to "decide for God" 15 years ago that her body shall be kept alive when, if left alone, it would die. This woman can't swallow (another thing differentiating her body from a newborn baby). Before the development of feeding tube technology, she would have quietly slipped away, yes, of dehydration, just as countless people have done when their bodies weaken to the point of being unable to process food and expel liquid waste from organ tissues.

 

[Zaac]

My point exactly... I knew nothing about it until I stumbled onto this topic, but then again, I'm stationed in Germany, so I wanted to make a point that people worry and talk too much to see the outside things... I mean let it go, the person is gonna die anyways one way or another. Now, let's concentrate on another topic, IRAN, should we or shouldn't we... See?

What part of Germany are you in? I'll be in Frankfurt next week. Maybe I can drop off some food from the Varsity for ya.

 

[moralwarrior]

Those "medical breakthroughs" are the very things that kept her alive in the first place, the very things that allowed doctors to "decide for God" 15 years ago that her body shall be kept alive when, if left alone, it would die. This woman can't swallow (another thing differentiating her body from a newborn baby). Before the development of feeding tube technology, she would have quietly slipped away, yes, of dehydration, just as countless people have done when their bodies weaken to the point of being unable to process food and expel liquid waste from organ tissues.

Funny, you should mention the swallowing thing. I was just reading an article that was about the fact that all the pictures you see Terri Schiavo and all the video that is available - if she can't swallow, why don't you see her drooling all over herself like you see old people in nursing homes?

This author had watched over 300 hours of video of Terri and you never saw her drooling. If not being able to swallow is a sign of "vegetative" state, then why don't you see her drooling? I think, perhaps, because that the diagnosis might be wrong OR it might be outdated as she hasn't had an evalution in over 3 years. She had evaluation by medical experts who dispute Michael Schiavo's doctor but not a full comprehensive evaluation with tests and everything for 3 years. Hey, maybe - just maybe, something could have changed regarding her condition?

I'm sorry but something just feels fishy about this whole situation. The husband definitely has enough on his side to show bias but time and time again, the court rules that he has no conflict of interest. I don't need a medical degree or a law degree to show he has a conflict of interest with a "fiancee" (how can you have a "fiancee" and still be married??!!) and two children.

Terri said that she wouldn't want to live like this. Okay, did she specifically state that she wanted to be starved to death? I don't think she did. This is inhumane, people. Pulling a respirator plug is one thing, it is quick and painless (sometimes they even medicate with pain meds). Starving someone to death is something else. I didn't have a living will before this - I do now because I DON'T want to be starved to death!

 

[Zaac]

It is not easy to keep her alive, that it is not, not that that is a reason to let her die but that is a misconception on your part if you think that.

What is required of another person to keep her alive other than to feed her and give her water?

We don't starve people to death who are on death row.

 

[praying]

What is required of another person to keep her alive other than to feed her and give her water?

She requires 24 hour care. She needs to moved due to bed sores, which I can't imagine she does not have, medications etc. There is a whole littany of of things being done to maintian Terri Schiavo's body.

We don't starve people to death who are on death row.

I don't believe in the death penalty so whether we starve them or have state sanctioned retribution it doesn't matter to me. Not that death row has anybearing on this.

 

[praying]

if she can't swallow, why don't you see her drooling all over herself like you see old people in nursing homes?


This author had watched over 300 hours of video of Terri and you never saw her drooling. If not being able to swallow is a sign of "vegetative" state, then why don't you see her drooling? I think, perhaps, because that the diagnosis might be wrong OR it might be outdated as she hasn't had an evalution in over 3 years. She had evaluation by medical experts who dispute Michael Schiavo's doctor but not a full comprehensive evaluation with tests and everything for 3 years. Hey, maybe - just maybe, something could have changed regarding her condition?

What people believe is amazing. My Mom was on a feeding tube and could not swallow and she did not drool all over herself. The swallow reflex is a way of measuring if food or liquids will enter the lungs when passed down the throat. If you can't swallow there is a good chance that you will aspirate (substance entering your lungs). It does not mean that liquids do not move down your throat. Think about it also are you constanly swallowing your own saliva? No.

Terri said that she wouldn't want to live like this. Okay, did she specifically state that she wanted to be starved to death? I don't think she did. This is inhumane, people. Pulling a respirator plug is one thing, it is quick and painless (sometimes they even medicate with pain meds).

You apparently do need to do some reading on the swallow reflex and removing the repsirator. It is by no means like starving but it is not what I would describe as quick and painless. You watch why the person gasps and struggles for air, their body jerks reflexively it isn't pleasant. I know I watched my cousin die.

 

[Zaac]

She requires 24 hour care. She needs to moved due to bed sores, which I can't imagine she does not have, medications etc. There is a whole littany of of things being done to maintian Terri Schiavo's body.

She hasn't had a single bed sore in 15 years. Her parents are willing to give her the care so why not?

I don't believe in the death penalty so whether we starve them or have state sanctioned retribution it doesn't matter to me. Not that death row has anybearing on this.

Sure it does. If they are going to die anyway, why waste tax dollars on an expensive procedure? Why send their cases through the review process? Why not just deny them food and water and starve them to death, thereby forgoing any need for all of these other expenses?

 

[rebel_conservative]

as she left no living will, we simply do not know what Terri wants. all we know is what Michael Schiavo tells us she told him she wanted years ago when they were watching videos. if she was passionate about wanting to die, she would have told her parents her wishes. and lets not forget that Michael Schiavo has ulterior motives for wanting his wife to die

also, we do not actually know what condition Terri is in - as Michael Schiavo has prevented any tests from being carried out.

 

[praying]

She hasn't had a single bed sore in 15 years. Her parents are willing to give her the care so why not?

I plain and simple do not believe in 15 years she has not had a bed sore. Period.

It doesn't matter to me if her parents take care of her, if she wished that. Meaning if she does not mind being in the state she is in, I personally would not but that is a personal decision.

 

[moralwarrior]

What people believe is amazing. My Mom was on a feeding tube and could not swallow and she did not drool all over herself. The swallow reflex is a way of measuring if food or liquids will enter the lungs when passed down the throat. If you can't swallow there is a good chance that you will aspirate (substance entering your lungs). It does not mean that liquids do not move down your throat. Think about it also are you constanly swallowing your own saliva? No.



You apparently do need to do some reading on the swallow reflex and removing the repsirator. It is by no means like starving but it is not what I would describe as quick and painless. You watch why the person gasps and struggles for air, their body jerks reflexively it isn't pleasant. I know I watched my cousin die.

Do they gasp for 1-2 weeks? No, they don't. As I said, they even medicate people when they unplug the respirator so the person is simply asleep and just never wakes. Since it is ok by you to starve to death, then let's us start applying this to all the prisoners. If it is ok to do this to this woman, then it is ok to do it to others.

Even if you think people should just let this person go, the manner in which they are doing it IS inhumane! It is absolutely wrong - no debate needed.

What I am getting tired of in our society is applying the law differently depending who you are applying the law to. It is ok to have an abortion (up until birth) for the mom but if someone causes the death of a baby inutero, they are a murderer. If it is ok for person A, then it is ok for person B. It is not okay for Dr. Korvekian (sp?) to assist people in dying when they have terminal illnesses but it is ok to starve Terri Schiavo because a judge says so. If it is wrong, then it is wrong. It isn't wrong just because so-and-so says so and it is wrong when such-and-such says it.

 

[rebel_conservative]

Even if you think people should just let this person go, the manner in which they are doing it IS inhumane! It is absolutely wrong - no debate needed.

certainly.

the right-to-death lobby say it is more humane to let her die, let her starve and dehydrate to death - how is that more humane????????? why don't they want to give her a lethal injection or just shoot her between the eyes?

let this poor woman live.

 

[praying]

Do they gasp for 1-2 weeks? No, they don't. As I said, they even medicate people when they unplug the respirator so the person is simply asleep and just never wakes.

They did not medicate my cousin and I doubt seriously they medicate anyone because it doesn't take that long to pass. 5 ten minutes tops.

Since it is ok by you to starve to death, then let's us start applying this to all the prisoners. If it is ok to do this to this woman, then it is ok to do it to others.

I never said it was okay you are making an assumption like you made about swallowing. I am not sure how I feel about the removal of the tube other than if she did not wish to be in that condition than she shouldn't be forced to. Since it would be illegal to give her a lethal injection this is the only method for her to pass naturally.

What I am getting tired of in our society is applying the law differently depending who you are applying the law to. It is ok to have an abortion (up until birth) for the mom but if someone causes the death of a baby inutero, they are a murderer. If it is ok for person A, then it is ok for person B. It is not okay for Dr. Korvekian (sp?) to assist people in dying when they have terminal illnesses but it is ok to starve Terri Schiavo because a judge says so. If it is wrong, then it is wrong. It isn't wrong just because so-and-so says so and it is wrong when such-and-such says it.

Well my view is it is not about what others think is wrong or right but what the individual wants.

 

[HouseApe]

She hasn't had a single bed sore in 15 years. Her parents are willing to give her the care so why not?

I agree with this. Terry Schiavo is not like some apparently comatose patients where a functioning brain is trapped inside a non-functioning body. People in these states sometimes "wake up" and live a life again. Terry's is just the opposite. She has a non-functioning brain inside a functioning body. She cannot possibly "wake up". Terry Schiavo is dead, her body isn't. It doesn't matter what she would have wanted. She is gone. If her parents want to spend their money and time looking after her body. That is up to them. I think that is horribly sad, but her ex should just let it go.

Sure it does. If they are going to die anyway, why waste tax dollars on an expensive procedure? Why send their cases through the review process? Why not just deny them food and water and starve them to death, thereby forgoing any need for all of these other expenses?

Well, because they are living human beings. Terry is not. Terry Schiavo is dead.

 

[praying]

I agree with this. Terry Schiavo is not like some apparently comatose patients where a functioning brain is trapped inside a non-functioning body. People in these states sometimes "wake up" and live a life again. Terry's is just the opposite. She has a non-functioning brain inside a functioning body. She cannot possibly "wake up". Terry Schiavo is dead, her body isn't. It doesn't matter what she would have wanted. She is gone. If her parents want to spend their money and time looking after her body. That is up to them. I think that is horribly sad, but her ex should just let it go.

Can she move, if she can't move she is subject to bed sores.

 

[moralwarrior]

They did not medicate my cousin and I doubt seriously they medicate anyone because it doesn't take that long to pass. 5 ten minutes tops.


I never said it was okay you are making an assumption like you made about swallowing. I am not sure how I feel about the removal of the tube other than if she did not wish to be in that condition than she shouldn't be forced to. Since it would be illegal to give her a lethal injection this is the only method for her to pass naturally.




Well my view is it is not about what others think is wrong or right but what the individual wants.

I know a nurse that works at hospice and yes, they do medicate some people, probably not everyone. I don't know the criteria of who they decide to medicate and who they decide not to medicate.

I didn't make an assumption about swallowing. I mention an article that was based on the premise of swallowing and thought it was a plausible possibility. If you are advocating letting Terri die in this manner, then I don't have to assume anything - you are advocating starvation if it is ok with you to let Terri die like this.

(Sarcasm intended) So it isn't legal to kill her the way they want so let's just pursue this way since we can't do it the way that would make us more comfortable. After all, it's all about our comfort, isn't it?