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mhatten said:
It is not easy to keep her alive, that it is not, not that that is a reason to let her die but that is a misconception on your part if you think that.
i don't understand. i am a nurse. I have taken care of many people with feeding tubes they are easier to care for than someone who needs someone to feed them.

It is realitive easy to keep her alive and that is what should have been done until all tests and all effort had been made to reabilitate her if all failed then we could have had an intellegent discusssion and decide what is best for her.

Personally i don't thing her husband has her best interest in his mind. What if he caused this problem and doesn't want her to get better so she can't tell on him??

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lonnienord said:
i don't understand. i am a nurse. I have taken care of many people with feeding tubes they are easier to care for than someone who needs someone to feed them.

It is realitive easy to keep her alive and that is what should have been done until all tests and all effort had been made to reabilitate her if all failed then we could have had an intellegent discusssion and decide what is best for her.

Personally i don't thing her husband has her best interest in his mind. What if he caused this problem and doesn't want her to get better so she can't tell on him??

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The reason her husband did this is irrelavant.He has the legal right to do so. :wave: That is the sancity of marriage.
 
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lonnienord said:
i don't understand. i am a nurse. I have taken care of many people with feeding tubes they are easier to care for than someone who needs someone to feed them.

Are you only thinking of feeding, because there is much more invovled as you know then just hooking up the IV pump to the peg, especially given her condition, everything must be done for her as was the case with my mother and she was not brain damaged.
 
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ebonicsonly said:
The reason her husband did this is irrelavant.He has the legal right to do so. :wave: That is the sancity of marriage.

No it isn't. The sanctity of marriage says that he stays by her side instead of running off with another woman and fathering two kids.

The sanctity of marriage says that you don't shoot your spouse in the head just because they tell you they no longer want to live.

The reason her husband is saying what he is saying is very relevant. He has no legal right to kill her and gave up that right the minute he committed adultery.

And her parents should have filed divorce papers in absentia for her the minute his first child was born to this other lady.

Don't tell the lie that you're doing what's in your wife's best interest out of one side of your mouth while you're running around producing babies with another woman out the other side of your mouth.
 
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Zaac said:
And frankly, a living will has never been intended to say that it's okay to starve someone to death.

A living will is intended to say whatever the person who signs it wants it to say. Living wills quite often include wishes about feeding tubes - to never have one inserted, to have one removed if one is put in before the wishes of the patient are realized or to have one used if the person is unable to take food orally. Anyone with the capacity to make a living will fully realizes that the removal of the tube means they will cease to get nutrition and, yes, starve to death.
 
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Zaac said:
No it isn't. The sanctity of marriage says that he stays by her side instead of running off with another woman and fathering two kids.

The sanctity of marriage says that you don't shoot your spouse in the head just because they tell you they no longer want to live.

The reason her husband is saying what he is saying is very relevant. He has no legal right to kill her and gave up that right the minute he committed adultery.

And her parents should have filed divorce papers in absentia for her the minute his first child was born to this other lady.

Don't tell the lie that you're doing what's in your wife's best interest out of one side of your mouth while you're running around producing babies with another woman out the other side of your mouth.

:wave: The sancity of marriage says legally you can pull her feed tube whenever you want to. You described what a christians views of marriage is. A legal view of marriage is a written adn verbal contract between two parties. If I were marriage and on any form of medical machinary in a hospital my spouse has the legal right to have me removed. What he is doing may not be MORALLY right in the eyes of many but it's LEGALLY allowed. Morality means nothing in the eyes of the legal system.
 
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Zaac said:
Don't tell the lie that you're doing what's in your wife's best interest out of one side of your mouth while you're running around producing babies with another woman out the other side of your mouth.

Well I don't know if he is doing what his wife would have wanted but I agree that he is wrong for committing adultery. If he wanted to move on which I can understand he should have divorced Terri. I can't imagine what he tells or will tell his kids about that.
 
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mhatten said:
Well I don't know if he is doing what his wife would have wanted but I agree that he is wrong for committing adultery. If he wanted to move on which I can understand he should have divorced Terri. I can't imagine what he tells or will tell his kids about that.

According to your morality -adultery is wrong. Morality can't be enforced in the legal sysem.
 
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ebonicsonly said:
According to your morality -adultery is wrong. Morality can't be enforced in the legal sysem.
:scratch: so why do we have laws against murder, stealing, false witness, it seems to me that all of our laws try to enforce morality:scratch:

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ebonicsonly said:
The reason her husband did this is irrelavant.He has the legal right to do so. :wave: That is the sancity of marriage.
no way. the husband does not have absolute say. He cannot murder his wife. I know i am claiming that this is what he is doing but taking a step back what exactly is his legal right? what if he is trying to starve her to death becasue he tried to murder her and wasn't successful and she knows that?? shouldn't society protect abused spouses?????????:scratch: :cry:

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ebonicsonly said:
According to your morality -adultery is wrong. Morality can't be enforced in the legal sysem.

Yes it can, and that is exactly what laws do, enforce morality. And since adultery is illegal in I believe all states he is in the wrong.
 
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mhatten said:
Yes it can, and that is exactly what laws do, enforce morality. And since adultery is illegal in I believe all states he is in the wrong.

Source that adultery is illegal. If I am not mistaken most states including Florida have no such law. It's only a legal defense to marriage which is immoral. Laws don't enforce morality. :doh: It was immoral for blacks to go to school that happened. It is immoral to have abortions also legal. It is immoral to divorce still legal. Morality is personal not legal. My moral are not your morals. Your morals aren't my morals.
 
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lonnienord said:
no way. the husband does not have absolute say. He cannot murder his wife. I know i am claiming that this is what he is doing but taking a step back what exactly is his legal right? what if he is trying to starve her to death becasue he tried to murder her and wasn't successful and she knows that?? shouldn't society protect abused spouses?????????:scratch: :cry:

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His legal rights are to reject any form of life support ( any artifical life support) as the legal guardian of his spouse. Just as a parent can reject life support for their child because they are the legal guardians. Show proof that she was abused. She had aneroxia -why do you think she got the 750,000 settlement that she did. It was a malpractice case. She was misdiagnosed and her husband won that lawsuit. Malpratice is a hard case to prove but he in fact proved it.
 
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ebonicsonly said:
Source that adultery is illegal. Laws don't enforce morality. :doh: It was immoral for blacks to go to school that happened. It is immoral to have abortions also legal. It is immoral to divorce still legal. Morality is personal not legal. My moral are not your morals. Your morals aren't my morals.
http://www.usmarriagelaws.com/search/extramarital_affairs/
The fact that the husband is allowed to live with another woman, have children by another woman and this woman is not capable of objecting and still be subject to being considered his wife is a type of justice that deserves disdain. IMHO.
 
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ebonicsonly said:
Source that adultery is illegal. Laws don't enforce morality. :doh: It was immoral for blacks to go to school that happened. It is immoral to have abortions also legal. It is immoral to divorce still legal. Morality is personal not legal. My moral are not your morals. Your morals aren't my morals.


What you mean to say are not all moral laws are universal nor are they all laws but many are legal tenets.


It's common knowledge about adultery, the laws are mostly not enofrced however except in the military where it is grounds for discharge.

In many jurisdictions, adultery is still illegal. Enforcement of laws against adultery is often uneven. In the United States, while a number of states still retain adultery laws on the books, they are rarely enforced, if ever. In places where adultery laws are still commonly enforced,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery
 
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