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ikester7579 said:
Active threads tend to draw people's attention. It's not you ikester, don't flatter yourself.
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ikester7579 said:Good one. My class of reality seems to be working. LOL
As far as you know, which obviously isn't very far.
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Flatter myself? Na. Just was making an observation that's all. Nine in my thread at one time is a new record. I was trying for an even number though.Pete Harcoff said:
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ikester7579 said:
*shrug* I've seen lots of threads get that many people looking at them at one time. It's no biggie.
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Darn, I was gonna have a celebration. A new milestone, but o well. The party pooper speaks.Pete Harcoff said:
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What is wrong with saying God did it? Science could very well be described as the method of determining God's actions and the rules He put in place. I've never heard anything credible from science claiming God doesn't exist. . . .
God DID give us brains, and saying "God did it" doesn't mean there's no need or for science.
It's not a blind faith issue at all, the Christian faith and reason are not mutually exclusive
God DID give us brains, and saying "God did it" doesn't mean there's no need or for science.
It's not a blind faith issue at all, the Christian faith and reason are not mutually exclusive
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Lemrin said:
The issue, though, is invoking ad-hoc miracles versus relying on natural law. In the case of natural laws, science is constrained because you must work within those laws. But if you start invoking miracles at will, you no longer have any constraints and can come up with any explanation you want. And all such explanations will have equal validity, since there is no criteria to determine which is correct.
Indeed, science does not say that God doesn't exist, but neither does it claim He does exist. Science is neutral on the subject.
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Lemrin said:
That is because science is agnostic, it has no comment on God, one way or the other.
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The problem is that saying "Goddidit" means that there is no need to examine further and attempt to discover more. Assuming "Goddidit" slows human progress. Ultimately the universe could be a giant "Goddidit", but since we have no way to test for that we simply cut it out, if we can't test it science doesn't waste its time with it.
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Agreed
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Billions of years. The assumption is: that given enough time, anything can happen.Jimmy The Hand said:
I'm gonna start a new thread then I need to go to bed(work tomarrow). This thread has pretty much ran it's course and is begining to sound like pete and repete.
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Well, I am glad you finaly stopped insiting there are absolute truths, I look forward to you claiming there are again so I can link back to this thread.
Given enough time anything with a non-zero probability WILL happen, not can happen.
Given enough time anything with a non-zero probability WILL happen, not can happen.
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That's like saying if I kick a ball against a wall a billion times, one time it might turn into a flower.
That's not what evolution is about.
So the condition you speak of is billions of years. Excellent. Now we have a framework to play in.
So, since apparently billions of years is the condition that is needed. Please falsify that we don't have that condition.
That's not what evolution is about.
So the condition you speak of is billions of years. Excellent. Now we have a framework to play in.
So, since apparently billions of years is the condition that is needed. Please falsify that we don't have that condition.
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Moses did not "write it down"...Moses was not even literate, all of the Moses "writings" were found to have been written by a scribe named "Baruk" according to a program I watched on The History Channel last year....SonworshipEternal said:
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ikester7579 said:
In the case of evolution, that's not the assumption at all. Rather it's a case of, given billions of years, the process of evolution with produce more changes as opposed to what we observe in our own lifetimes (or even the span of human civilization).
The process of evolution is exactly the same, whether it's today or millions or billions of years ago.
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No, but if you kicked it against the wall for the current age of the universe, it may eventually end up on the other side, thanks to quantum tunneling.Jimmy The Hand said:
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But WHY would all those changes, over the course of billions of years, lead to a condition of LOWER entropy? BTW, just tell me if I just chose the WRONG topic to cut my teeth on here. . . .
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Lemrin said:But WHY would all those changes, over the course of billions of years, lead to a condition of LOWER entropy? BTW, just tell me if I just chose the WRONG topic to cut my teeth on here. . . .
Because the Sun provides a constant influx of energy, local entropy (on the Earth) can decrease. In the absence of available energy, entropy would remain the same or increase.
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