Why would the world mourn when they behold Jesus appear on the cloud ?

[Choose Wisely]

I guess the 'one taken' will not be mourning with the world when Jesus comes
as those wailing are the left behind.
Matt 24:41 Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other LEFT

CORRECTOMUNDO

 

[Davy]

Its cleary written that the great multitude are the Wheat that escape the Tribulation
Those under the altar must wait until their fellow martyrs beheaded in the Tribulation.
The Tares are people left behind and face the horrible tribulation by the 7 Seal opening, 7 trumpets and 7 vials.
The people under the altar are those who refuse to worship the beast/antichrist and beheaded.

The Left-Behind idea is not Biblical. It was a creation in 1830's Great Britain (see Edward Irving and John Nelson Darby). At first, Darby implied the rapture would be a 'secret' rapture, saying that only those raptured would see Jesus when He came for them. They have changed that doctrine part since.

In Luke 17, at the end, as already shown once in this thread, Jesus' disciples ask Him "Where, Lord" about those first ones that are 'taken'. His answer was of how where the 'dead' are, that's where the eagles (actually meaning vultures that normally eat dead flesh) would be gathered.

Luke 17:37
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

That "eagles" is used is a type Message also, because it represents Satan's host trying to pass themselves off as God's host:

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV

So those in Christ Jesus definitely DO NOT want to be the first one taken in the field, because that one will be deceived to the coming Antichrist. We are to remain at the grinding wheel, here on earth, working for Jesus, waiting for His coming which ALL those on earth will see, for He only returns to this earth ONCE as written.

 

[God bless Joshua]

The Left-Behind idea is not Biblical. for He only returns to this earth ONCE as written.

There will be a separation where one individual will be taken and the other left behind.
Matt 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

Jesus has reconfirmed this with the parable of 10 virgins, the wise are taken to the Feast of the Bride but the foolish virgins shall be left.

But the 2nd coming will not be a secret and it will be known to kings and armies of the nations who will be gathered by frog spirit to battle Jesus at Armageddon.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

[BABerean2]

There will be a separation where one individual will be taken and the other left behind.
Matt 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

Jesus has reconfirmed this with the parable of 10 virgins, the wise are taken to the Feast of the Bride but the foolish virgins shall be left.

But the 2nd coming will not be a secret and it will be known to kings and armies of the nations who will be gathered by frog spirit to battle Jesus at Armageddon.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


How can you take a passage about the Second Coming and then claim it also contains the pretrib removal of the Church?

How can you claim people will know when the Second Coming occurs, but Christ says otherwise in verse 36 above?

You may want to go back to i-disp.com and ask some questions, unless you have some good answers to the questions above.

While you are at it ask them about the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8...

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[God bless Joshua]

How can you claim people will know when the Second Coming occurs

Its clearly written by the Bible : the spirit of frogs will gather kings and armies of the nations to fight Jesus at Armageddon battle, they surely know the 2nd coming of Jesus and prepare themselves for battle.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

[Davy]

There will be a separation where one individual will be taken and the other left behind.
Matt 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

You ought to study the end of Luke 17 again, and heed our Lord Jesus' answer when His disciples asked Him, "Where, Lord" regarding those 'taken'.

The idea is those taken are taken in deception to the false messiah. That is why Jesus said wheresoever the dead carcase is, that's where the eagles (vultures) will be gathered (Matt.24:28; Luke 17:37). It means the one 'taken' He likened to a dead carcase, spiritually.

Jesus has reconfirmed this with the parable of 10 virgins, the wise are taken to the Feast of the Bride but the foolish virgins shall be left.

Our Lord Jesus' parable of the ten virgins isn't about one 'taken'. It's about Jesus turning away the deceived five foolish virgins who didn't bring a spare vessel of the Oil. And Luke 17:37 Jesus shows the one 'taken' is not to Him, but to the false one, so your using that taken idea for the ten virgin parable doesn't work either.

But the 2nd coming will not be a secret and it will be known to kings and armies of the nations who will be gathered by frog spirit to battle Jesus at Armageddon.

That shows you don't really understand what all the pre-trib rapture theory teaches. They teach that Jesus comes to gather the Church off the earth PRIOR to the tribulation. The Armageddon event of Rev.16 happens on the very last day of the tribulation.

It was originally taught by John Darby that it would be a 'secret' coming. Reason is because God's Word only speaks of Jesus returning once, not twice. The pre-trib rapture theory requires that Jesus comes more than once. The "Left-behind" media instead now teaches the theory of Christians suddenly disappearing with the unsaved left wondering where they went. Even some airlines have a policy that with Christian pilots, there must be an unbelieving back-up pilot, just because of the false pre-trib rapture theory.

 

[Davy]

There will be a separation where one individual will be taken and the other left behind.
Matt 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

Jesus has reconfirmed this with the parable of 10 virgins, the wise are taken to the Feast of the Bride but the foolish virgins shall be left.

But the 2nd coming will not be a secret and it will be known to kings and armies of the nations who will be gathered by frog spirit to battle Jesus at Armageddon.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The Pre-Trib Rapture theory doctors are not interested in telling the truth. They are liars...

Luke 17:33-37
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

Like Paul Harvey used to say, there's "the rest of the story".