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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

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Ok, you did exactly what @trophy33 chastised me for that you seemed to agree with.

That said, I do not believe you are interpreting these verse correctly. Using the internet when we should be prayerfully reading our bibles I would never recommend either, but we have free will.

The author of "you got questions" is looking at these verses from the eyes of the Pharisees, who mind you are the ones who said Jesus sinned and claimed He was not God- so not who I would want to align myself with. Jesus called them hypocrites and said our righteousness needs to exceeds them if we will see heaven Mat 5:20 Mat 15:1-14

There is no law in the Sabbath commandment that one cannot eat. The apostles were not breaking the Sabbath commandment as they were not harvesting grain, they were plucking the tops of the grain and eating, not gathering (harvesting) because they were hungry Mat 12:1 and no different than picking a piece of fruit and eating on the Sabbath and if you believe that's a sin, one simply does not understand the character of Christ.

Yes, David ate the showbread when he was fleeing for his life from King Saul who was trying to kill him. He was starving and yes, the showbread was normally reserved for the priests according to the law of Moses, but the priest gave it to David showing God is practical. It was never in violation to any of the Ten Commandments.

Jesus was correcting the Pharisees for accusing them of breaking the Sabbath, which they didn't why Jesus said they were blameless Mat 12:5. The Sabbath was made for man and the word Jesus used means human beings, He is explaining where the Sabbath came from. The Sabbath was made for mankind at Creation and WHY? To bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify Eze 20:12 because man can't do this for himself, we need God for everything. The Sabbath started at creation made for man, man came first created in the image of God Gen 1:26 to be followers of God. God rested on the seventh day at Creation Gen 2:1-3 for the benefit of man, the Sabbath was never meant to be a burden the way the Pharisees were turning their sabbath into, but God's Sabbath is a delight, to rest with God and eating on the Sabbath was and is not a sin Hence why Jesus said I am Lord of the Sabbath, because He is the Creator of it, and would know how it was to be kept. The fact He is Lord of the Sabbath means the opposite of getting rid of it, I mean getting rid of the Sabbath, would also mean getting rid of the Lord of the Sabbath. Sounds like terrible idea to me.
 
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What I posted is the standard orthodox view held in Christianity. As I'm sure you already know. And probably already had a pre-written unorthodox rebuttal ready to be posted. That's why I don't bother with this much. You've had too many years of practice pitching an unorthodox fringe teaching.
 
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The gospel rest we have in Christ is being cleansed and forgiven of sin.
Brother, you keep trying to make a translation error into the foundation of your argument about the message of Hebrews chapter 4. The "good news" spoken of in the passage of those who first heard about the Sabbath when they ate manna with Joshua is not the gospel of Jesus that came after David, as the King James version mistranslated because they misidentified Joshua as Jesus. The "rest" spoken of in the passage is the Sabbath "day" of rest and not the Gospel of Jesus as you say.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news (not the Gospel of Jesus as in the KJV)—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news (not the Gospel of Jesus as in the KJV) failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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We are not to follow man, we are to follow Jesus.

Following man leads one to a ditch- following Jesus leads one on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14 Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 and who we obey is the path we end up on.

Not keeping what God said- His commandments is not the path Jesus tells us to take. Its why Jesus said this.....


Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying,Honor your father and your mother’; (where is Jesus quoting from, the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
 
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Following and teaching an unorthodox fringe doctrine doesn't equate to following Jesus.
 
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Did Jesus keep the Sabbath? and all of the commandments?
Jesus God fulfilled His sabbath and all of His commandments of His old covenant to establish His/God's New Covenant.
 
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Jesus God fulfilled His sabbath and all of His commandments.
He fulfilled God's law, so we can now worship other god, vain His holy name, covet steal, or break the least of these commandments?

Jesus said not to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven Mat 5:19 judgement James 2:10-12 Rev 22:14-15 so I think there may be some misunderstandings here.
 
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We both know that you don't know all of His old covnant comments by heart, and therefore don't keep all of them. Which I also know has been pointed out to you a zillion times over the years. And ironically James 2:10-12 establishes that. The eisegesis you subscribe to is so poor, that proof texts you use, actually work aginst the unorthodox teaching you promote.
 
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You might want to read James 2:10-12 and see what commandments James is only contrasting and quoting.

However, that was not what I asked, its a simple question- did Jesus keep the Sabbath and all of the commandments of God?

A Christian means to be a follower of Christ. What did Jesus teach, how did He live?
 
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You might want to read James 2:10-12 and see what commandments James is only contrasting and quoting.
You mean I should read it though lense of eisegesis you use.
However, that was not what I asked, its a simple question- did Jesus keep the Sabbath and all of the commandments of God?
Once again; Jesus God fulfilled His sabbath and all of His commandments of His old covenant to establish His/God's New Covenant.
A Christian means to be a follower of Christ. What did Jesus teach, how did He live?
He taught His New Covenant and He lived and died and rose again to fulfill and establish it.

You want to live part way under the old covnant and teach others to do likewise.
 
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Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17-18).
The moral principles of the Law, such as loving God and loving others, are eternal and unchanging, reflecting God’s holy character.
Hi again, JesusFollowerForever

It looks to me like this approach requires that we be able to separate the moral principles of the law from particular actions that we might take

Taking this as an example
Leviticus 25:4
The seventh year there shall be a Sabbath of solemn rest for the land, a Sabbath to the Lord. You shall not sow your field or prune your vineyard

I'd say the moral principle there is to not be greedy and try to extract everything possible out of the ground. This could apply to things like drilling or mining. Also leave things behind for the poor

But we don't take any particular actions in response to this law. It was intended for bronze age agriculture, God has given us much more knowledge today about soil management

How does it look to you?

(Everyone welcome to respond)

 
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So if Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, meaning it ended. When did that happen. Does that mean we can now worship other gods too and commit murder, covet and steal, vain God’s holy name? You break one of these commandments you break them all, so if the Sabbath commandment goes so does the other 9 commandments. So does Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath.

Please provide scripture where Jesus said we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment and instead of keeping it holy, we can now profane it.

And all of this you still refuse to answer a simple question. Did Jesus keep the Sabbath?

You keep talking about reading through the lens of eisegesis, but can you prove your point through scripture? So far your lens seems to be through gotquestions.
 
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So if Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, meaning it ended.
No it continues in Jesus.
When did that happen.
When the vail to the Holy of Holies was torn in apart by God.
Does that mean we can now worship other gods too and commit murder, covet and steal, gains God’s holy name? You break one of these commandments you break them all, so if the Sabbath commandment goes so does the other 9 commandments.
None of those things were ever acceptable to God before He established His old covenant with the Hebrews.
Please provide scripture where Jesus said we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment and instead of keeping it holy, we can now profane it.
Luke 22:20
But all of this you still refuse to answer a simple question. Did Jesus keep the Sabbath?
Jesus kept every jot and title of His old covenant until He established His New Covenant though the shedding of His blood. If you are going to follow what Jesus did before He was crucified and rose from the dead, then you too will have to keep every single last jot and tittle of the old covenant.
You keep talking about reading through the lens of eisegesis, but can you prove your point through scripture?
Orthodox Christianity is proven through scripture which has presented to you by numerous Christians numerous times over the years. You've rejected 2000 years of orthodox Christianity in favor of latter-day unorthodox doctrine.
 
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So in your opinion Luke 22:20 means Jesus ended the Sabbath, despite this verse saying nothing of the sort, so the Sabbath according to you ended at His death? And apparently all of the Ten Commandments since the other 9 were also in the Holy of Holies- The Sabbath was not in a covenant by itself, it came with 9 other commandments written by the finger of God, that God placed in a unit of Ten by His design, so now according to you, we are free to worship other gods, free to murder, free to steal, free to vain His name, free to bow to idols, free to covet? Is this what you’re teaching and we are just ignore what Jesus taught in Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17–19 John 15:10 John 14:15 etc etc
 
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You're repeating what's already been addressed and answered. Please refer to post #534
 
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You're repeating what's already been addressed and answered. Please refer to post #534
I am asking clarification because you posted one verse and that one verse does not say the Sabbath commandment ended. So if this one verse explains your position but doesn’t at all say what you claim, the Sabbath wasn’t even mentioned in the verse, seems to me like we need to go back to God’s Word to see what it really says and not follow the popular teachings of man. Following the crowd never helped anyone in scripture. I don;t thinks its the path we are to follow today. The majority has been wrong many times and we are told the majority will be deceived by the devil Rev 12:9

Jesus said follow Me, He if we abide in Him keep His commandments and to follow in His footsteps. John 15:10 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22

Guess we will have all find out soon enough- if Remember means forget.
 
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The moral law, that we speak of, the 10 commandments ARE the covenant and were placed in the ARK OF THE COVENANT.

what you mention Is another type of sabbath not part of the 10 commandments. that land sabbath serves many purposes one of them is to let the land lie fallow for a year, this allowed the soil to rest and rejuvenate. This aligns with modern agricultural principles, as resting the soil can restore its nutrients and maintain its productivity over time. By instituting this practice, God demonstrated His concern for creation and the sustainable use of resources. this was only one facet if this land sabbath I can explain the other purposes this sabbath verses also if you need.

Below, the verses you quoted but in full for context.

Lev 25:1 Then the LORD said to Moses on Mount Sinai,

Lev 25:2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: When you enter the land that I am giving you, the land itself must observe a Sabbath to the LORD.

Lev 25:3 For six years you may sow your field and prune your vineyard and gather its crops.

Lev 25:4 But in the seventh year there shall be a Sabbath of complete rest for the land—a Sabbath to the LORD. You are not to sow your field or prune your vineyard.

Lev 25:5 You are not to reap the aftergrowth of your harvest or gather the grapes of your untended vines. The land must have a year of complete rest.

Lev 25:6 Whatever the land yields during the Sabbath year shall be food for you—for yourself, your manservant and maidservant, the hired hand or foreigner who stays with you,

Lev 25:7 and for your livestock and the wild animals in your land. All its growth may serve as food.

Blessings
 
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The moral law, that we speak of, the 10 commandments...
Is the ten commandments the only moral law given to the Israelites in the wilderness?

 
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...we are free to worship other gods,
The issue that I see is that if a particular law does not apply to us, it does not mean that we are then free to do the actions prohibited by that law

Does that make sense so far?

 
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