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Why Vaccinations Shouldn't be Optional

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Well first of all, welcome. I see that your user name is Informed Consent. That's the same name as the group that wrote the letter @Saricharity appears to have copied & pasted from.

I looked at what you posted, it came straight from an anti-vaxxer group. It's pretty dang dishonest to copy and paste but not give the link to that site where you took it from. Instead you made it look like you were copying from the study you're posting the link to. Let's look at that study. I hope @Saricharity read it. They make a point of this: There is strong evidence that MMR vaccine is not associated with autism.

BACKGROUND:
Concerns about vaccine safety have led some parents to decline recommended vaccination of their children, leading to the resurgence of diseases. Reassurance of vaccine safety remains critical for population health. This study systematically reviewed the literature on the safety of routine vaccines recommended for children in the United States.


CONCLUSIONS:
We found evidence that some vaccines are associated with serious AEs; however, these events are extremely rare and must be weighed against the protective benefits that vaccines provide.


You've done a good job reassuring us that vaccines don't cause autism, that risks are extremely rare & vaccines are beneficial.
 
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I have no idea what show that is but I know what she linked to was a white paper published on Oct 2nd, 2017.

http://icandecide.org/white-papers/VaccineSafety-Version-1.0-October-2-2017.pdf



Here is another:

http://icandecide.org/white-papers/ICAN-AluminumAdjuvant-Autism.pdf
 
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I believe you have certainly established a good argument against Mandatory vaccination.
The fact that you are a young, university student asking questions and trying to alert others to concerns about immunization is to be applauded. There are many who agree with you. There are many who are concerned. You are brave to try and debate against others who seem to be more kowledgeable than you at debate. I can't decide if it's for lack of time on your part or if you are new to the whole topic. I'm leaning towards the former.
I am concerned by some posters here, by how belittling and downright rude they are considering this forum is a christian forum. I had to double check I hadn't read my facts wrong.
You have handled it with the utmost decorum. Kudos to you for that.
I would like to message you privately.
 
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Those who are jumping down Saricharity's throat about the chickenpox vaccine should know that the vaccine did not even become universal in Canada until April 2000. It may not have even been on her vaccine schedule as an infant or toddler. I do not know how old she is but my oldest child is 17 and that vaccine wasn't even mentioned to me by my doctor when I vaccinated. I did not even become aware of it until 2004 and even then my doctor and the entire clinic was hesitant to recommend it as necessary. By then, several of my children had already contracted chickenpox. I did not think anything of it as I remembered having the ailment when I was a child.
 
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Regardless of your views, it IS mandated in many areas including child care centres and schools

I can only speak about Canada.
It is not mandatory in Canada to vaccinate.
“Unlike some countries, immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution. Only three provinces have legislation or regulations under their health-protection acts to require proof of immunization for school entrance. Ontario and New Brunswick require proof for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization. In Manitoba, only measles vaccination is covered. It must be emphasized that, in these three provinces, exceptions are permitted on medical or religious grounds and reasons of conscience; legislation and regulations must not be interpreted to imply compulsory immunization.

Immunization in Canada – Volume: 23S4 – May 1997 — Canadian National Report on Immunization, 1996 Health Canada Website
 
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Well Jules, like I said, when I Googled @Saricharity's post what came straight up was a letter the producer of the fraudumentary Vaxxed wrote, on account of being butthurt about the show John Oliver did on vaccines. The letter is published on that site you've just linked. The name of that group is Informed Consent Action Network, which coincidentally is just like the other brand-new user we've got in this thread.

Here's the info about that site:
About Informed Consent Action Network

ROTFLMBO. They've got the producer of Vaxxed, a lady who got her degree in opera music, the producer of kids TV shows, & then the driver who drove the Vaxxed tour bus as their team. You cannot make this stuff up. Not a single doctor in the bunch.
 
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Nope, what @Saricharity has established is that the OP of this thread is the gal who deserves a round of applause. That gal is the one who wrote out an informative post in her own words. What @Saricharity has done is copied and pasted a bunch of stuff from anti-vaxxer sites. She's done a much better job showing why vaccine requirements are necessary, on account of how too many would rather get their "research" from blog sites & fraudumentaries than from professionals who've published actual research.

Now as far as the belittling & rudeness, that gal has given it as much as it's given back to her. I do agree that we all need to do a better job acting like Christians on here.
 
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Nobody is jumping down @Saricharity's throat on account of her having chicken pox & shingles. I feel sorry for her for that, truly I do. Sorry for anybody who's had shingles. I was just surprised, is all, on account of having thought she was about 16, which is really dang young for shingles. Chicken pox used to be common, but on account of how most kids today have gotten the vaccine, it's much more uncommon. The problem was that she gave bad information about the vaccine. @PsychoSarah did a real good job responding to her about that.
 
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In response to wanting to know more about the whole idea surrounding shedding...there is a reason to be concerned, cautious and aware.

Chickenpox (varicella) vaccine:
“Due to the concern for transmission of vaccine virus, vaccine recipients should attempt to avoid whenever possible close association with susceptible high-risk individuals for up to six weeks following vaccination with VARIVAX. Susceptible high-risk individuals include Immunocompromised individuals; • Pregnant women without a documented history of varicella or laboratory evidence of prior infection; • Newborn infants of mothers without documented history of varicella or laboratory evidence of prior infection and all newborn infants born at <28 weeks gestation regardless of maternal varicella immunity.” VARIVAX® - SOURCE: Varicella Virus Vaccine Live (Package Insert)

Some overplay it and some downplay it. I feel we should be cautious.

There are also articles like this regarding Pertussis:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013...cine-does-not-stop-spread-disease-lab-animals

Articles like this about Rotavirus:
Rotavirus vaccines: viral shedding and risk of transmission - ScienceDirect
 
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I would love to see and read literature on this. Where did you get your sources?
 
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Canada is part of America (as are about 35 other nations) and that is not true here. Vaccines are provided at no charge to everyone as needed.

Canada (country), along with America (country), is part of the Americas (continents). There's only one America (country) in the Americas (continents) however.
 
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Everything’s a lie, isn’t it...? Except for the parts that agree with your conspiracy theory, right...?

And yes, we’ve been in contact with diseases right through our evolutionary development....and they used to kill us by the millions...! This is one of the major reasons why average life expectancies have risen so dramatically over the last few centuries...we now have the means to protect ourselves from those diseases...
 
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I think that St. Jude Children's Research hospital are concerned, cautious & aware about the wellbeing of their patients. In bold letters they wrote:



Thanks. Let's all be really cautious & aware of any baboons who've recently gotten a pertussis vaccine.

I am glad that the baboons who got the vaccine didn't get severe whooping cough like the poor ones who were unvaccinated did.

This article makes a good case FOR the vaccine & how well it works.




Another source that stresses the benefit of the vaccine & says that vaccination should be encouraged.

 
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The problem was that she gave bad information about the vaccine.

I didn't see her giving bad information. She was talking about shingles.

Shingles cannot be passed from one person to another. However, the virus that causes shingles, the varicella zoster virus, can spread from a person with active shingles to cause chickenpox in someone who had never had chickenpox or received chickenpox vaccine.

The virus is spread through direct contact with fluid from the rash blisters caused by shingles.

A person with active shingles can spread the virus when the rash is in the blister-phase. A person is not infectious before the blisters appear. Once the rash has developed crusts, the person is no longer infectious.
Shingles | Transmission - How Spreads | Herpes Zoster | CDC
 
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Please see the posts @Saricharity wrote that @PsychoSarah responded to.
 
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