That's good. I like the way you handle that. Here's more ammo for you.
There is only one place in the NT that refers to the Ten Commandments as a whole. Assuming they were "engraved in letters on stone". Scripture below.
The Apostle says the TCs were the old covenant ministry that brought death and condemnation. The transitory ministry that has no glory now. The letter kills. Other than that he was fine with them. - lol
2 Corinthians 3:611 NIV
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
Already addressed
here through the scriptures I guess you missed it. Having a teaching that God's 10 commandments are abolished in the new covenant is
not biblical and pretty much goes against the teachings of the whole new testament (
scripture support here). Since we were discussing Romans 3:19 and its connection with all the world being "under the law" guilty before God of sin let's see how 2 Corinthians 3 links back into Romans?
The ministration of death is the penalty for sin that God's law (10 commandments) gives us the knowledge of (see Romans 3:19; Romans 7:7) that Paul says is holy just and good *Romans 7:12. The wages of sin is death according to Paul but the gift of God is eternal life through JESUS Christ *Romans 6:23. It is the ministration of condemnation that is done away with in God's grace that works through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9 that Jesus paid the price for in all those who believe and follow God's Word and have been born again (John 3:3-7) and made free to walk in God’s Spirit *Galatians 5:16. If we have been born again into Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 to walk in God’s Spirit however we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16). In fact if we walk in God’s Spirit God’s law is established in us as we believe Gods' Word according to Romans 8:1-4 which says [1], THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.[2], For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. [3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.
So an interpretation that 2 Corinthians 3:7 is saying that God’s law has been abolished is not biblical or supported in the new testament scriptures. It is the ministration of condemnation and sins penalty that has been abolished in God's new covenant promise as we accept the gift of God's dear son and believe Gods' Word *John 3:16-20.
Need more evidence?
An interpretation of 2 Corinthians 3:7 of God’s 10 Commandments being abolished has Paul contradicting himself in Romans 3:31. Here lets show how by comparing 2 Corinthians 3:7 where some interpret this scripture as God’s 10 commandments being abolished with Romans 3:31 where Paul state God’s law is not to be abolished but established through faith…
PARALLEL TRANSLATIONS OF καταργέω (G2673) USED IN ROMANS 3:31 and 2 CORINTHIANS 3:7 (abolished)
ROMANS 3:31 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English) Are we
eliminating (G2673) the written law by faith? God forbid, but we are
establishing (G2476) the written law.
ROMANS 3:31 (International Standard Version) Do we, then,
abolish (G2673) the Law by this faith? Of course not! Instead, we
uphold (G2476) the Law.
ROMANS 3:31 (KJV) Do we then make
void (G2673) the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we
establish (G2476) the law.
Note the Greek word used here for
void/
eliminating/
abolish is G2673 in the Greek
ROMANS 3:31 (Greek) νόμον οὖν (G2673)
καταργοῦμενην διὰ τῆς πίστεως μὴ γένοιτο· ἀλλὰ νόμον (G2476)
ἱστῶμεν
Note the same Greek word is used for ROMANS 3:31 is also used in 2 CORINTHIANS 3:7
2 CORINTHIANS 3:7 (International Standard Version) Now if the
ministry of death that was inscribed in letters of stone came with such glory that the people of Israel could not gaze on Moses' face
because the glory was fading away (G2673) from it,
2 CORINTHIANS 3:7 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English) But if the
ministry of death in The Scripture carved in stone was with glory, so that the children of Israel were not able to gaze at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face
that which has been canceled (G2673)
2 CORINTHIANS 3:7 (KJV) But if the
ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be
done away (G2673)
2 CORINTHIANS 3:7 (Greek) Εἰ δὲ ἡ
διακονία τοῦ
θανάτου ἐν γράμμασιν ἐντετυπωμένη ἐν λίθοις ἐγενήθη ἐν δόξῃ, ὥστε μὴ δύνασθαι ἀτενίσαι τοὺς υἱοὺς Ἰσραὴλ εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον Μωϋσέως διὰ τὴν δόξαν τοῦ προσώπου αὐτοῦ τὴν
καταργουμένην (G2673)
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Note the same word used in ROMANS 3:31 for abolish is used in 2 CORINTHIANS 3:7 as shown above and is also translated as abolished in some English translations.
Let’s look at the Greek word meaning that both scriptures use…
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G2673 καταργέω
Καταργουμένην; katargeō From G2596 and G691; to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: -
abolish,
cease, cumber, deliver,
destroy,
do away, become (make) of
no (none, without)
effect, fail, loose,
bring (come) to nought,
put away (down),
vanish away,
make void.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 2673: καταργέω
καταργέω, κατάργω; future καταργήσω; 1 aorist κατήργησα; perfect κατήργηκα; passive, present καταργοῦμαι; perfect κατήργημαι; 1 aorist κατηργήθην; 1 future καταργηθήσομαι; causative of the verb ἀργέω, equivalent to ἀργόν (i. e. ἀεργον (on the accent cf. Chandler § 444)) ποιῶ; frequent with Paul, who uses it 25 times (elsewhere in N. T. only twice (Luke, Heb.), in the Sept. 4 times (2 Esdr., see below)); 1. to render idle, unemployed, inactive, inoperative: τήν γῆν, to deprive of its strength, make barren (A. V. cumber), Luke 13:7; to cause a person or a thing to have no further efficiency; to deprive of force, influence, power (A. V. bring to nought, make of none effect): τί, Romans 3:3; 1 Corinthians 1:28; τινα, 1 Corinthians 2:6 (but in passive); diabolic powers, 1 Corinthians 15:24 (Justin Martyr, Apology 2, 6); Antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:8; τόν θάνατον, 2 Timothy 1:10 (Epistle of Barnabas 5, 6 [ET]); τόν διάβολον, Hebrews 2:14; passive 1 Corinthians 15:26; to make void, τήν ἐπαγγελίαν, Galatians 3:17; passive Romans 4:14. 2.
to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish: τί, 1 Corinthians 6:13; 1 Corinthians 13:11; τόν νόμον,
Romans 3:31; Ephesians 2:15; τόν καιρόν τοῦ ἀνόμου, Epistle of Barnabas 15, 5 [ET]; passive πόλεμος καταργεῖται ἐπουρανίων καί ἐπιγείων, Ignatius ad Eph. 13, 2 [ET]; ἵνα καταργηθῇ τό σῶμα τῆς ἁμαρτίας, that the body of sin might be done away, i. e. not the material of the body, but the body so far forth as it is an instrument of sin; accordingly, that the body may cease to be an instrument of sin, Romans 6:6. Passive to cease, pass away, be done away: of things, Galatians 5:11; 1 Corinthians 13:8, 10;
2 Corinthians 3:7; 11, 13f; of persons, followed by ἀπό τίνος, to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from, anyone; to terminate all contact with one (a pregnant construction, cf. Winers Grammar, 621 (577); Buttmann, 322 (277)): ἀπό τοῦ Χριστοῦ, Galatians 5:4 (on the aorist cf. Winer's Grammar, § 40, 5 b.); ἀπό τοῦ νόμου, Romans 7: (2 (Relz omits τοῦ νόμου)),6. The word is rarely met with in secular authors, as Euripides, Phoen. 753 κατάργειν χερα, to make idle, i. e. to leave the hand unemployed; Polybius quoted in Suidas (s. v. κατηργηκεναι) τούς καιρούς, in the sense of to let slip, leave unused; in the Sept. four times for Chaldean בַּטֵּל, to make to cease, i. e. restrain, check, hinder, 2 Esdr. 4:21, 23 2Esdr. 5:5 2Esdr. 6:8.
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CONCLUSION: So as can be shown above an interpretation of 2 CORINTHIANS 3:7 that God’s 10 commandments are abolished has PAUL contradicting himself in ROMANS 3:31. The correct context of 2 Corinthians 3:7 is the ministration of condemnation is abolished by the ministration of the Spirit as shown in 2 Corinthians 3:3-13. Your interpretation of 2 Corinthians 3:7 that God's 10 commandments are abolished, has Paul contradicting himself when he says In Romans 3:31 Do we then make (G2673)
abolish the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we (G2476)
establish the law
