Hello Lightray.
Reply to post #999.
The Father skillfully made Jesus in the womb. John said we must believe Jesus came in the flesh,
flesh is creation, period, no doubt about it.
This flesh that the Son appeared within, was not the same Adamic flesh that we have Lightray. The Son had
no earthly father, and for that very reason, you do not seem to realise that the Son is not a created entity.
The Son cannot create Himself? But all things were created through the Son. The scripture strongly emphasizes
the supernatural birth of Jesus, so that you will not see Jesus as a created entity.
Jesus descended from heaven and then ascended back into heaven.
Ephesians 4
10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all.
A plan or idea does not descend and ascend, the Heir of the vineyard both can descend and ascend.
The word “son” itself implies a beginning.
Not in my book Lightray, the Heir of all things was also the creator of all things. The 'Son' is a temporal
term applied to Jesus and only strictly during His earthly manifestation. Jesus descended into this identity
of the Son, but the Son has ascended back into the identity of the Lord of heaven and earth (YHWH).
The Lord of heaven and earth sits on the throne in heaven. The Lord of heaven and earth was also the God
of the Old Testament.
Acts 17
24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since
He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell
in temples made with hands.
This creator is also
the Lord of heaven and earth, so who is the Lord of heaven and earth?
Revelations 11
15 The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ.
See Lightray, both the Father and the Son (the Heir) are both equally the Lord over heaven and earth.
Still not sure about the identity and Lordship of the Christ.
Revelation 1
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “
who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
The part of the sentence which reads '
who is and who was and who is to come' is actually Jesus. For the scripture
does say.
Hebrews 13
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday (who was) and today (who is) and forever (who is to come).
Don't believe me so far Lightray then keep reading.
Revelation 2
8
The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life.
This verse of course can be translated as.
Revelations 2
8 The alpha and the omega, who was dead, and has come to life.
So who is
the alpha and the omega in the verse below again?
Revelation 1
8 “I am
the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “
who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Still not sure about the identity of the alpha and the omega, i.e, the first and the last?
Revelation 1
17 When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not
be afraid;
I am the first and the last.
Jesus is the first and the last, the alpha and the omega, the Lord God Almighty.
We continue and reinforce this revelation of the first and the last, i.e., the alpha and the omega.
Revelations 22
12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
13 I am
the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
The one who is coming quickly is Jesus Christ, the alpha and the omega is Jesus, and the first and the last is also Jesus.