Why The Trinity is a False Teaching - Summarized Doctrinal Reasons

[redleghunter]

I know I'm going to regret this, but anyway.



Absolutely correct.



No, that's incorrect.

When someone repents, receives Jesus, is born again and becomes a Christian, they receive eternal life, John 3:16, 36; John 6:40. They are new creations and have new life, 2 Corinthians 5:17. At that point, the devil gets mad, because they now belong to God, and will do everything possible to try to get them to turn away - including whispers like, "you've messed up; God can't love you now, you might as well give up." This is a lie from the father of all lies.
John says in his first epistle that if we confess our sins he (God) is faithful and just and will forgive us, 1 John 1:9. In chapter 2 he said that, although he was writing so that they would not sin, if they did, they could be sure that they had someone who could intercede for them, 1 John 2:1.
Jesus taught us to pray, "forgive us our trespasses". Scripture says that when we sin, we need to confess it and not try to cover it up, and repent, then God will forgive us and make us clean.

If a Christian says that they know the love and grace of God and love him too, but continually and deliberately sin against him, purposely doing those things they know will hurt him and refusing to repent - then it is reasonable to question their love for God, their understanding of salvation and walking in the light. But a Christian who sins, repents and is cleansed, is forgiven - not condemned.

It IS possible for us to sin after we become Christians; 1) because you have just admitted that no one is perfect, 2) because we are still human, living in a fallen world and are still being sanctified and 3) because the devil tries hard to tempt us, make us sin and turn away from God. His biggest lie is then, "why not give up; you've just blown it."
But the only way we can't be forgiven, is if we don't confess. If we don't believe we have done anything wrong, try to keep it from God or justify it.

If everyone who became a Christian was made perfect, there'd be a lot of perfect people around - some of whom could then find other perfect people, marry them and have perfect children. There'd be perfect churches too - whole areas of the world would contain people who were absolutely perfect - so where are they?

Well said.

 

[7xlightray]

What's your point? Kyrios has many applications in the NT and LXX. One size does not fit all in Greek. That is why context is important when applying exegesis.

lol, that is my point! Which I was trying to explain to civilwarbuff.

 

[MerriestHouse]

Indeed, if he commits a minial sin while being a babe in Christ. If, however, this brother is committing sins like adultery, homosexuality, murder, or any sins punishable by death, he ought to be delivered over to Satan for his own destruction.

Jesus' ministry on earth lasted about three years. When Jesus was teaching his disciples to pray, he prayed "and deliver us from evil." Jesus did not pray "and deliver us from Satan."

"It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father's wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. 3 For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus," 1 Corinthians 5

When you do a study of the word that is translated Satan in the NT, you will find that it is a loanword taken from another language. The translators do this when there is no equivalent word or name in the second language. The translators take the liberty of picking and choosing when to translate and when to transliterate, depending on their understand of the text. The translators should translate and leave the interpretation to the reader, but sometimes they do not and the meaning of the loanword is changed.

The word Satan Strong's 7854 is a Hebrew word meaning, "adversary" or "accuser." Should it have been translated "Satan?" Should it have been changed into a proper name making it into a single being? Or, should it have been rendered adversary or accuser every time in Scripture?

Robert Young's Literal Translation of the Bible never uses the word Satan, but adversary. Sometimes it is capitalized, sometimes not. The Hebrew language had no capitalizations, only one case. "The Devil" is not used in the Hebrew language at all.

"But each is temped when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. When lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death."

James does not put the blame on Satan, he puts the blame on man's evil nature.

When God destroyed mankind with the flood, he blamed men.

Genesis 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."

Not one mention of an evil being called Satan being responsible. He could easily have destroyed such a being and spared mankind.

"I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth." Genesis 8:21. Man is accused of evil and Satan is not mentioned.

People can do evil things when they allow evil to overtake them. That is why we are to temper our body and bring in into subjection. I stopped blaming an imaginary person that the world calls Satan for my mistakes years ago. I am responsible for every wrong thing I have done.

1 "Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Look to yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." Galatians 6

 

[cgaviria]

I know I'm going to regret this, but anyway.



Absolutely correct.



No, that's incorrect.

When someone repents, receives Jesus, is born again and becomes a Christian, they receive eternal life, John 3:16, 36; John 6:40. They are new creations and have new life, 2 Corinthians 5:17. At that point, the devil gets mad, because they now belong to God, and will do everything possible to try to get them to turn away - including whispers like, "you've messed up; God can't love you now, you might as well give up." This is a lie from the father of all lies.
John says in his first epistle that if we confess our sins he (God) is faithful and just and will forgive us, 1 John 1:9. In chapter 2 he said that, although he was writing so that they would not sin, if they did, they could be sure that they had someone who could intercede for them, 1 John 2:1.
Jesus taught us to pray, "forgive us our trespasses". Scripture says that when we sin, we need to confess it and not try to cover it up, and repent, then God will forgive us and make us clean.

If a Christian says that they know the love and grace of God and love him too, but continually and deliberately sin against him, purposely doing those things they know will hurt him and refusing to repent - then it is reasonable to question their love for God, their understanding of salvation and walking in the light. But a Christian who sins, repents and is cleansed, is forgiven - not condemned.

It IS possible for us to sin after we become Christians; 1) because you have just admitted that no one is perfect, 2) because we are still human, living in a fallen world and are still being sanctified and 3) because the devil tries hard to tempt us, make us sin and turn away from God. His biggest lie is then, "why not give up; you've just blown it."
But the only way we can't be forgiven, is if we don't confess. If we don't believe we have done anything wrong, try to keep it from God or justify it.

If everyone who became a Christian was made perfect, there'd be a lot of perfect people around - some of whom could then find other perfect people, marry them and have perfect children. There'd be perfect churches too - whole areas of the world would contain people who were absolutely perfect - so where are they?

Indeed you are perfected when you are born of God, why do you think Paul says,

For by one offering, He has perfected for all time those being sanctified. (Hebrews 10:14 [BLB])

The whole point of the death of Jesus Christ was not just to atone for sin once and for all, but also to bring an end to sin, and to perfect his people, since the blood of animals was never able to perfect, just only to atone for sins, and thus this prophecy was fulfilled in Jesus Christ,

Seventy periods of seven were rendered concise upon your people, and upon the holy city, to finish off sin, and to set a seal upon sins, and to wipe out the lawless deeds, and to atone for iniquities, and to bring eternal righteousness, and to set a seal upon vision and prophecy, and to anoint the holy of holies. (Daniel 9:24 [ABP])

And thus this is the reason why these verses exist,

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9 [KJV])

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. (1 John 3:6 [KJV])

The way the holy spirit causes a man to never sin again is by removing evil desires, which are the cause of sin, so if you had the desire to commit adultery, you will no longer have that desire, if you were a homosexual, you will no longer want to commit sins of homosexuality, and this truth is a fulfillment of this prophecy,

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.(Ezekiel 36:26-27 [KJV])

The heart is where the desires are, so by God removing your heart of flesh, he is removing your evil desires, and giving you a new heart, that has godly desires. How does he do this? By giving you his spirit, and not just any spirit, a new spirit, that was never given before, and that was because the blood of Jesus Christ had not yet been shed to bring forth this new spirit that brings forth perfection. When receiving holy spirit, this change is instant, hence why we even have an example when Saul has the holy spirit spring upon him,

Then the Spirit of the LORD will rush upon you, and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man. (1 Samuel 10:6 [ESV])

Receiving holy spirit transforms you into a completely different person. If you are still sinning, you have not truly received holy spirit, hence,

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (1 John 3:6 [KJV])

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8 [KJV])

The actual lie of the devil is that you can continue sinning and be right with God. I advise you to believe the scriptures I am presenting you with, because in admitting that you don't truly have the holy spirit, can you then work towards actually receiving him. If you think that you have the holy spirit, but actually don't because clearly you are still sinning, you will end up dying in your sins never having been born of God. Anyone who is not baptized in holy spirit does not yet belong to Jesus Christ, and will not be saved.

 

[nomadictheist]

Believers have the right to deliver other believers to Satan for committing sins of death in an assembly of God. Have you not read Paul's instruction, "deliver such a one over to Satan". Any believer that teaches that a believer can still sin and still be right with God deserves to be destroyed because he is causing others to stumble and thus also lose their salvation over such destructive lies.

I was going to be done with this thread, but as I was scanning it this morning, I feel that this needs to be said.

What is the purpose of delivering "such a one to Satan"?

When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

This doesn't quite fit with your interpretation. Paul explicitly says that the purpose of delivering a believer who is living in sin over to Satan is for the salvation of His spirit. Not eternal death.

 

[cgaviria]

I was going to be done with this thread, but as I was scanning it this morning, I feel that this needs to be said.

What is the purpose of delivering "such a one to Satan"?



This doesn't quite fit with your interpretation. Paul explicitly says that the purpose of delivering a believer who is living in sin over to Satan is for the salvation of His spirit. Not eternal death.

"his spirit" was not part of the original text, should be "the spirit", meaning the spirit of those who are delivering him to be destroyed. The reason this is necessary is because of the law of leaven, a little leaven will leaven an entire bread and thus corrupt an entire assembly that is represented by the bread. So it becomes necessary to cast out a sinning brother, to thus not cause the entire assembly to partake in his sin and thus lose their salvation.

 

[7xlightray]

Show me an example of H113 in TaNaKh referring to God. We can take it from there. I hope you are not equating H113 with H3068.

Genesis 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord [H113] being old also?

Psalm 8:1 O LORD, our Lord [H113], how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.

Anyway, we are comparing Jesus being called lord [G2962], and Abraham called lord [G2962], that it is the same word in the N/T. Lets stick to the point, that lord [G2962] does not mean God, it can refer to God, but does not mean God.

 

[redleghunter]

lol, that is my point! Which I was trying to explain to civilwarbuff.

I still don't know the context of the argument. However many get LORD in the OT confused with lord or Lord in the NT. Knowing the context and the actual language used is very important. If not you end up like the JWs who claim "well David was called lord with a little 'l' and so was Jesus, so Jesus Christ cannot be God. It's those silly arguments that really show a lack of understanding the Scriptures.

 

[nomadictheist]

"his spirit" was not part of the original text, should be "the spirit", meaning the spirit of those who are delivering him to be destroyed. The reason this is necessary is because of the law of leaven, a little leaven will leaven an entire bread and thus corrupt an entire assembly that is represented by the bread. So it becomes necessary to cast out a sinning brother, to thus not cause the entire assembly to partake in his sin and thus lose their salvation.

Perhaps a little context is needed then. What does Paul mean by a little leaven leavens the whole loaf? Might there be someone else who used "leaven" as an analogy in the Bible?

6 Jesus said to them, “Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 7 And they began discussing it among themselves, saying, “We brought no bread.” 8 But Jesus, aware of this, said, “O you of little faith, why are you discussing among yourselves the fact that you have no bread? 9 Do you not yet perceive? Do you not remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many baskets you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many baskets you gathered? 11 How is it that you fail to understand that I did not speak about bread? Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that he did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Leaven does not refer to people. It refers to doctrine/sin. What Paul is saying is that they must purge the sin, not the sinner, and if they do not the sin will "leaven" the whole loaf.

But it really doesn't matter whether you translate the Greek "the body" or "his body." The meaning of the text is the same. But I can see how somebody intent on believing that a believer who sins will not be forgiven would be determined to see a different translation.

In terms of "unforgivable" sin, or sin that will not be forgiven, as has been said before, Jesus names only one. That is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Are you greater than Jesus, that you can name more?

 

[Der Alte]

Jesus' ministry on earth lasted about three years. When Jesus was teaching his disciples to pray, he prayed "and deliver us from evil." Jesus did not pray "and deliver us from Satan."

"It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father's wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. 3 For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus," 1 Corinthians 5

When you do a study of the word that is translated Satan in the NT, you will find that it is a loanword taken from another language. The translators do this when there is no equivalent word or name in the second language. The translators take the liberty of picking and choosing when to translate and when to transliterate, depending on their understand of the text. The translators should translate and leave the interpretation to the reader, but sometimes they do not and the meaning of the loanword is changed.

The word Satan Strong's 7854 is a Hebrew word meaning, "adversary" or "accuser." Should it have been translated "Satan?" Should it have been changed into a proper name making it into a single being? Or, should it have been rendered adversary or accuser every time in Scripture?

Robert Young's Literal Translation of the Bible never uses the word Satan, but adversary. Sometimes it is capitalized, sometimes not. The Hebrew language had no capitalizations, only one case. "The Devil" is not used in the Hebrew language at all.

"But each is temped when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. When lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death."

James does not put the blame on Satan, he puts the blame on man's evil nature.

When God destroyed mankind with the flood, he blamed men.

Genesis 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."

Not one mention of an evil being called Satan being responsible. He could easily have destroyed such a being and spared mankind.

"I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth." Genesis 8:21. Man is accused of evil and Satan is not mentioned.

People can do evil things when they allow evil to overtake them. That is why we are to temper our body and bring in into subjection. I stopped blaming an imaginary person that the world calls Satan for my mistakes years ago. I am responsible for every wrong thing I have done.

1 "Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Look to yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." Galatians 6

In the OT Satan appears to be a specific individual

Job 1:6-7
(6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan [השׂטן/hashatan] came also among them.
(7) And the LORD said unto [השׂטן/hashatan] Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan [השׂטן/hashatan] answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
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השׂטן/hashatan means "the Satan" not "a satan." And in the NT Jesus was tempted by a specific individual.

Mat 4:1-3
(1) Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. [τοῦ διαβόλου/the diabolou]
(2) And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered.
(3) And when the tempter [ὁ πειράζων/the peirazon] came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.​

"The devil" not "a devil" "The tempter" not "a tempter"

​

 

[nomadictheist]

Jesus knew, it was written, that he was to be lifted up. If it was written, then it was settled, yet Jesus still ask, if there was another way.

It's not wrong to be tempted! It's wrong when you give in to your desire.

Him desiring not to go to the cross, would not be the will of God, but he did not give in to that temptation, but he was struggling with it. Being tempted like this is not wrong. In the end he chose the will of God, and did not give in to his desire. Your trying to make this more complicated then it is.

If God said to you, “I want you to fast for one month,” to eat would be wrong, but you would be tempted to eat, this is not wrong. To be tempted to eat, and have a desire to eat, is not wrong, if you don't eat.

I didn't say that it was wrong to be tempted, did I? What I said was that Jesus was not tempted from within.

Temptation is more than just desire. It is desire to sin. Wanting food while you are fasting is not temptation, but when the desire to disobey God's commands comes from the inside, and not the outside, that's where the difference comes in.

For Jesus, the desire to disobey God's commands - to turn the stones into bread, to test God, and to worship the devil - did not come from the inside, but from the outside. For us, the desire to disobey God's commands comes from the inside.

Jesus asked if there was another way, yes, even though He knew there wasn't. I fail to see how this indicates an internal desire to disobey God.

 

[cgaviria]

Perhaps a little context is needed then. What does Paul mean by a little leaven leavens the whole loaf? Might there be someone else who used "leaven" as an analogy in the Bible?

Leaven does not refer to people. It refers to doctrine/sin. What Paul is saying is that they must purge the sin, not the sinner, and if they do not the sin will "leaven" the whole loaf.

But it really doesn't matter whether you translate the Greek "the body" or "his body." The meaning of the text is the same. But I can see how somebody intent on believing that a believer who sins will not be forgiven would be determined to see a different translation.

In terms of "unforgivable" sin, or sin that will not be forgiven, as has been said before, Jesus names only one. That is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Are you greater than Jesus, that you can name more?

Leaven means purge the sinner, hence why the reference of leaven is used in relation to delivering a sinner to Satan so that he may be destroyed. Why else do you think even the book of Numbers the anger of the LORD was removed by killing a sinner,

and went after the man of Israel into the chamber and pierced both of them, the man of Israel and the woman through her belly. Thus the plague on the people of Israel was stopped. (Numbers 25:8 [ESV])

Although we ourselves do not kill sinning brothers as is required by the Law of Moses, but we do deliver them to one who destroys, and it is Satan, and thus fulfill these requirements of the Law of Moses to "stone to death" any brother that is committing sins of death. Sin is serious in the assembly of God, and anyone who becomes baptized in water and has thus joined himself with the assembly of God, now finds himself as a part of the congregation of God, and if he should sin in the assembly, he must be cast out for the sake of the assembly, otherwise the assembly will be found just as guilty as the one who sinned, because they did not cast him out as is required by the Law.

 

[nomadictheist]

Leaven means purge the sinner, hence why the reference of leaven is used in relation to delivering a sinner to Satan so that he may be destroyed. Why else do you think even the book of Numbers the anger of the LORD was removed by killing a sinner,


Although we ourselves do not kill sinning brothers as is required by the Law of Moses, but we do deliver them to one who destroys, and it is Satan, and thus fulfill these requirements of the Law of Moses to "stone to death" any brother that is committing sins of death. Sin is serious in the assembly of God, and anyone who becomes baptized in water and has thus joined himself with the assembly of God, now finds himself as a part of the congregation of God, and if he should sin in the assembly, he must be cast out for the sake of the assembly, otherwise the assembly will be found just as guilty as the one who sinned, because they did not cast him out as is required by the Law.

Because this was what was commanded at that time. God was showing through the nation of Israel that salvation by works is not possible.

I have a lot to do this morning, so I won't have time to reply for quite some time, but in light of this post I think it is appropriate to return to a question asked earlier:

Having begun in the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

Paul understood only too well that people would come along and preach salvation by grace + works. That's why he adamantly argues against it in so many of his epistles.

 

[cgaviria]

Because this was what was commanded at that time. God was showing through the nation of Israel that salvation by works is not possible.

I have a lot to do this morning, so I won't have time to reply for quite some time, but in light of this post I think it is appropriate to return to a question asked earlier:

Having begun in the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

Paul understood only too well that people would come along and preach salvation by grace + works. That's why he adamantly argues against it in so many of his epistles.

The commandments have not changed, those were examples to us, spiritually, as to how the assembly ought to handle brothers that are sinning in correlation with how the congregation then handled sinning brothers, and Paul delivered this person to Satan for his own death demonstrating this example.

 

[7xlightray]

I still don't know the context of the argument. However many get LORD in the OT confused with lord or Lord in the NT. Knowing the context and the actual language used is very important. If not you end up like the JWs who claim "well David was called lord with a little 'l' and so was Jesus, so Jesus Christ cannot be God. It's those silly arguments that really show a lack of understanding the Scriptures.

It's easy to prove Jesus is not an angel, but like everyone else, no matter who they are, they have to be willing to consider, they may have been in error.

Jesus speaking to the Father...Psalm 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly. Start from verse 1, and there is no denying it, unless of course you want to.

 

[7xlightray]

I didn't say that it was wrong to be tempted, did I? What I said was that Jesus was not tempted from within.

Temptation is more than just desire. It is desire to sin. Wanting food while you are fasting is not temptation, but when the desire to disobey God's commands comes from the inside, and not the outside, that's where the difference comes in.

For Jesus, the desire to disobey God's commands - to turn the stones into bread, to test God, and to worship the devil - did not come from the inside, but from the outside. For us, the desire to disobey God's commands comes from the inside.

Jesus asked if there was another way, yes, even though He knew there wasn't. I fail to see how this indicates an internal desire to disobey God.

I did not say, you were saying, temptation was wrong. Though you are not understanding temptation, and not hearing what I am saying. You can't be tempted unless you have a desire. No one was tempting Jesus outside of Jesus, when he was asking if there was another way, then for him going to the cross. It was very clear, Jesus knew the Word of God, that God's will for him was to go to the cross, it was written in scripture, but he is still asking for another way. Why? Because his desire was not to go, just as you would not have a desire to go, but he chose God's will over his will.

Either you grasp this or you don't, God can't be tempted in any way, what so ever, for God is perfectly complete. He has no need of anything, or anyone, for all come from Him, so there is nothing He can be tempted with. God has no need of a spouse, can't be hurt, killed, or corrupted in any way. Jesus was tempted, and temptation comes from, our desire, a need. God has no need, for all come from Him. Jesus was in agony about going to the cross, he was looking for a way out, because he was in agony about what was going to happen to him. His desire was not to go, but he chose, God's Will, over his own Will. Read it “not my will, but thine.” His will comes from inside him, not someone outside.

All I could suggest is read James very carefully. It's not wrong to have a desire other then God's, it's when you allow that desire to grow, and overcome you, and put your desire over God's. The temptation is your desire contradicts God's desire, but you have not sinned if you align your will with God's.

Look, if you were in a store, and it popped in your mind to steal that coat, but you say to yourself, No! Yet it keeps popping in your mind, and you keep telling yourself, No! Is that is temptation? Yes! Is it against the will of God? Yes! Did you sin? No! Why? Because you aligned your will with God's.

 

[redleghunter]

Genesis 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord [H113] being old also?

Psalm 8:1 O LORD, our Lord [H113], how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.

Anyway, we are comparing Jesus being called lord [G2962], and Abraham called lord [G2962], that it is the same word in the N/T. Lets stick to the point, that lord [G2962] does not mean God, it can refer to God, but does not mean God.

It's a title for God in certain contexts. Not to be confused with LORD which is YHWH.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well said.

Thank you.

 

[Goatee]

Indeed you are perfected when you are born of God, why do you think Paul says,

The whole point of the death of Jesus Christ was not just to atone for sin once and for all, but also to bring an end to sin, and to perfect his people, since the blood of animals was never able to perfect, just only to atone for sins, and thus this prophecy was fulfilled in Jesus Christ,

And thus this is the reason why these verses exist,

The way the holy spirit causes a man to never sin again is by removing evil desires, which are the cause of sin, so if you had the desire to commit adultery, you will no longer have that desire, if you were a homosexual, you will no longer want to commit sins of homosexuality, and this truth is a fulfillment of this prophecy,

The heart is where the desires are, so by God removing your heart of flesh, he is removing your evil desires, and giving you a new heart, that has godly desires. How does he do this? By giving you his spirit, and not just any spirit, a new spirit, that was never given before, and that was because the blood of Jesus Christ had not yet been shed to bring forth this new spirit that brings forth perfection. When receiving holy spirit, this change is instant, hence why we even have an example when Saul has the holy spirit spring upon him,

Receiving holy spirit transforms you into a completely different person. If you are still sinning, you have not truly received holy spirit, hence,

The actual lie of the devil is that you can continue sinning and be right with God. I advise you to believe the scriptures I am presenting you with, because in admitting that you don't truly have the holy spirit, can you then work towards actually receiving him. If you think that you have the holy spirit, but actually don't because clearly you are still sinning, you will end up dying in your sins never having been born of God. Anyone who is not baptized in holy spirit does not yet belong to Jesus Christ, and will not be saved.

What i see from your writings is a guy who is very very confused in his spiritual life. A guy who is very mixed up with scripture. You seem to be in a very long dark tunnel that has a tiny spec of light at the end and even though there are many doorways to lead you away from your wrong beliefs and interpretations (The good people on these forums) you continue to hurtle down the tunnel in the wrong direction!!

Jesus dying on the cross was not to end all sin as he knew we would continue to sin! He died to save us 'from' our sins. Just like when the serpent was made in the desert for the people to turn to when bitten, Jesus is there on the Cross as a reminder of what he has done for us so that we can turn to him to beg forgiveness! He died and opened up a whole new covenant. A whole new way of faith, prayer and Mercy.

The Holy Spirit is said to have dwelt in many a saint who still sinned! They repented, they sought confession! No saint would 'EVER' have said they were sin free! Even though they were known as filled with the Holy Spirit!

The thief next to Jesus was saved by a few words! A murderer on his deathbed can be saved by a few words. If you continue to sin and not repent, then yes, you will suffer the wrath of God but only God can say what that will be.

 

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Indeed you are perfected when you are born of God, why do you think Paul says,

Well actually it was the author of the book of Hebrews who wrote that - who probably wasn't Paul; but no matter.

God may well see us as perfect - because he looks at Jesus and we are in him.
But if Christians were already perfect, then Paul would not have said that the Spirit is transforming us into Jesus' image and likeness, 2 Corinthians 3:18. You can't transform something which is already perfect. He would not also have said that when he appears we would be like him - if we are perfect now, we are already like him. And that means that you have contradicted yourself because you, correctly, said that no one is perfect except Jesus.

The way the holy spirit causes a man to never sin again is by removing evil desires, which are the cause of sin,

Yes - IF we want, and allow, him to. We still live in a human body in an imperfect world, however, and we still have the ability to choose; the gift of choice. God did not create us to be puppets, so that we have to do what he says, no choice, he pulls the strings. That is what happened with Adam and Eve. If they were to be truly free, they HAD to be free to disobey God if they chose. If they obeyed the command their maker gave them, it had to be because they wanted and chose to do so, not because God was hypnotising them, pulling their strings or making it so that they couldn't refuse.
It is the same now. I believe God is desperately hurt and sad when his creation - us; we who were the pinnacle of his creation and a little lower than the angels CHOOSE to say, "I don't want to know you; I will go my own way and do my own thing." But he risks that hurt, for the joy of having children who want to love, obey, be with and serve him. And we are not perfect - just as a baby is not born being able to walk, knowing right from wrong etc; they have to learn and, in matters of morality, some do not learn too quickly. Same with God's spiritual children - but he is a perfect, loving, forgiving Father and keeps picking us up and setting us straight.

Receiving holy spirit transforms you into a completely different person.

Indeed.

The actual lie of the devil is that you can continue sinning and be right with God.

I don't believe that a child of God, someone who knows his love and mercy will continually and purposely sin. But no one is perfect - you said that yourself. No one can have perfect thoughts, desires, dreams, words, conversation, attitudes etc etc 24/7 - and even if we could, we'd still sin by not doing all the good that we could do.

If you think that you have the holy spirit, but actually don't because clearly you are still sinning, you will end up dying in your sins never having been born of God. Anyone who is not baptized in holy spirit does not yet belong to Jesus Christ, and will not be saved.

Er no; I KNOW I have the Holy Spirit, and am saved. And by the way, that's the Spirit of the Lord who Jesus spoke about, and not an angel who is my own special holy spirit.

How you can write correct teachings about the Spirit convicting us of sin, and about why Jesus died, and then say that the Spirit is only an angel, and that Jesus himself was a created being who was made a god, is truly beyond me. I seem to remember you also said at one point that Jesus is the Spirit who is mentioned in Genesis 1:2.
How could it be possible for anyone to be baptised into an angel??