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Why The Trinity is a False Teaching - Summarized Doctrinal Reasons

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So, why did he have a mother then? Why choose Mary as his mother?

Because he later came in the flesh, therefore his birthing of a woman became necessary that he may come in the likeness of men.
 
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There is only one God, the Father, as it is written,


Now, God, in his authority, has granted Jesus Christ authority to be Lord and God over his own creation in representation of the Father. The same with holy spirit, yet holy spirit is in subjection to Jesus Christ.

That's not what Scripture says - and a short while ago you said that Jesus IS the Spirit who was with the Father at the beginning. And no one has answered the question, was it ONLY a man who died on the cross; if so, how can he give eternal life?

But to be honest, I didn't post in this thread to debate this with you - short of a revelation from God, you are not going to believe in the trinity; you have already made up your mind.
I posted in this thread only to say that the trinity is a Christian doctrine; well established and widely believed. That is a FACT. You may hate it, you may not agree or understand, you may feel that it shouldn't be so - but it is.
 
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I cannot understand why you think the Trinity is false when all Christian faiths believe this? Does it mean that one should have a different 'belief' system other than the 'normal' Christian one? Do you think that one has to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian cgaviria?

I see you label yourself as Christian but surely that is wrong if you dont believe in the Trinity?
 
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That's not what Scripture says - and a short while ago you said that Jesus IS the Spirit who was with the Father at the beginning. And no one has answered the question, was it ONLY a man who died on the cross; if so, how can he give eternal life?

But to be honest, I didn't post in this thread to debate this with you - short of a revelation from God, you are not going to believe in the trinity; you have already made up your mind.
I posted in this thread only to say that the trinity is a Christian doctrine; well established and widely believed. That is a FACT. You may hate it, you may not agree or understand, you may feel that it shouldn't be so - but it is.

If the trinity were true, I would have no problem believing in it. I readily believe whatever the scriptures say, without question. Yet the truth is that the doctrine of the trinity is not a true doctrine, as I have carefully explained in certain threads. I wish you people would take the time and study it and see for yourselves that what I am saying is true, instead of just taking the word of those who are teaching you, and afraid of being called a heretic when seeing that what I am saying is true.
 
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If the trinity were true, I would have no problem believing in it. I readily believe whatever the scriptures say, without question. Yet the truth is that the doctrine of the trinity is not a true doctrine, as I have carefully explained in certain threads. I wish you people would take the time and study it and see for yourselves that what I am saying is true, instead of just taking the word of those who are teaching you, and afraid of being called a heretic when seeing that what I am saying is true.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_trinity

http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

Plenty of Bible quotes for the Trinity!
 
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The existence or mention of holy spirit or son of God is not evidence for the doctrine of the trinity. There are only two verses that plainly declare the doctrine of the trinity, one is matthew 28:19 and the other is 1 John 5:7. Both are spurious verses, and even many trinitarians will themselves agree that 1 John 5:7 is a forgery, because it only exists in a few very late manuscripts. This is indeed a catholic doctrine and was promulgated from the council of Nicaea and was not an original teaching of Jesus Christ, nor the apostles, nor even the Hebrews for that matter.
 
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If the trinity were true, I would have no problem believing in it. I readily believe whatever the scriptures say, without question. Yet the truth is that the doctrine of the trinity is not a true doctrine, as I have carefully explained in certain threads.

No, it IS true - witness the hundreds/thousands of churches, Christian organisations and this forum which affirm and declare it. You have decided to interpret certain Scriptures in a certain way, either tyo back up. or form, a doctrine of your own and THAT is what you have been explaining.

I wish you people would take the time and study it and see for yourselves that what I am saying is true, instead of just taking the word of those who are teaching you, and afraid of being called a heretic when seeing that what I am saying is true.

We have.
But you can't answer my request to provide respected Christian theologians who deny the trinity. Your view is, "read what I have written and see how I prove my belief that it doesn't exist", and if we don't, then we are considered not being willing to learn or understand.

Like it or not, your belief that the trinity is false is not shared by Christian churches, organisations, clergy etc. There's nothing you can say or do to change that; it's a fact. If I met a new religious group that seemed to be ok but who, on questioning, rejected the trinity, I'd regard them as a cult and want nothing more to do with them - I think many Christians would. Books that I have read on various cults say that they have one main thing in common; they all reject the trinity.
 
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No, it IS true - witness the hundreds/thousands of churches, Christian organisations and this forum which affirm and declare it. You have decided to interpret certain Scriptures in a certain way, either tyo back up. or form, a doctrine of your own and THAT is what you have been explaining.



We have.
But you can't answer my request to provide respected Christian theologians who deny the trinity. Your view is, "read what I have written and see how I prove my belief that it doesn't exist", and if we don't, then we are considered not being willing to learn or understand.

Like it or not, your belief that the trinity is false is not shared by Christian churches, organisations, clergy etc. There's nothing you can say or do to change that; it's a fact. If I met a new religious group that seemed to be ok but who, on questioning, rejected the trinity, I'd regard them as a cult and want nothing more to do with them - I think many Christians would. Books that I have read on various cults say that they have one main thing in common; they all reject the trinity.

Since when what the majority believe what is true? Is the way to life not a narrow gate...
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. (Matthew 7:14 [ESV])

And is the entire world not intoxicated with the wine of false doctrines of the great prostitute of Babylon?
with whom the kings of the earth committed harlotry, and the ones dwelling on the earth were intoxicated of the wine of her harlotry. (Revelation of John 17:2 [ABP])

So to suggest that a doctrine is true by the basis of popular belief is already an erroneous argument. The manuscript evidence proves forgery. And the doctrinal contradictions that the doctrine of the trinity teaches is also there. I cover both these angles in my study. http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2016/01/08/why-the-trinity-is-a-false-doctrine/ . Perhaps you will learn, perhaps not, but this is not a matter I am going to endlessly argue. Once you accept the truth, hit me up, and we can progress to discuss other matters, and this isn't even the only matter most of you people are in error in.
 
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But that is from your writings. What makes you think that you alone hold the truth when all Christianity says different?

I have given you quotes from the Bible too about the Trinity but yet you push them to one side saying they are not correct! Why should anyone believe what you say is the truth? Is it a case of you have been singled out by the Holy Spirit as the messenger of truth?

If you think you are indeed right then you have to start a new church as there are none that support your views in Christianity!
 
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But that is from your writings. What makes you think that you alone hold the truth when all Christianity says different?

I have given you quotes from the Bible too about the Trinity but yet you push them to one side saying they are not correct! Why should anyone believe what you say is the truth? Is it a case of you have been singled out by the Holy Spirit as the messenger of truth?

If you think you are indeed right then you have to start a new church as there are none that support your views in Christianity!

There are many who agree with me on the view of the Trinity, I am not the only one on the earth that opposes this teaching.
 
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There are many who agree with me on the view of the Trinity, I am not the only one on the earth that opposes this teaching.

Anyone who is a true Christian believes in the Trinity! Fact
 
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There are many who agree with me on the view of the Trinity, I am not the only one on the earth that opposes this teaching.

You have looked at scripture and decided to interpret it yourself without any understanding. You have read into it in your own way. You have been deceived by the devil to come up with your own wrong interpretation! How many eminent Theology writers agree with your claims?
 
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You have looked at scripture and decided to interpret it yourself without any understanding. You have read into it in your own way. You have been deceived by the devil to come up with your own wrong interpretation! How many eminent Theology writers agree with your claims?

And what makes you think you haven't done what you are accusing me of? Or what the people that have been teaching you and have handed you your version of the bible have not done what you are accusing me of? I have provided the proofs demonstrating that you are wrong. Believe them, or do not believe them, your salvation does not belong to me and I am not on here to argue endlessly with people that refuse to accept the truth.
 
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You have looked at scripture and decided to interpret it yourself without any understanding. You have read into it in your own way. You have been deceived by the devil to come up with your own wrong interpretation! How many eminent Theology writers agree with your claims?
Arias seems to agree with him tho he was declared a heretic.....:sorry:
 
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And what makes you think you haven't done what you are accusing me of? Or what the people that have been teaching you and have handed you your version of the bible have not done what you are accusing me of? I have provided the proofs demonstrating that you are wrong. Believe them, or do not believe them, your salvation does not belong to me and I am not on here to argue endlessly with people that refuse to accept the truth.

Many eminent theologians from different denominations have all come down on the side of the belief in the Trinity. Throughout history this has been a massive belief of the Christian populous. You are just one individual who has come up with his own ideas, who also states that he is a Christian but fails to believe in the Trinity!

You have twisted scripture to fit in with your narrow view of Christianity! You have twisted Holy Scripture to how 'you' 'think' it should read! You have done exactly as Jesus said people would do! Can you not see that?

I cannot understand how you come to the views you do on the 'evidence' you claim to put forward? It just does not add up buddy.

You really need to seek spiritual advice and help as it seems to me that you could be being manipulated by evil forces intent on destroying the true meaning of scriptural texts!
 
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An attempt at tempting God is an act of fail, as Satan demonstrated that fail.

Either you are confusing able to be tempted, with resisting that temptation, or not understanding Jesus was tempted in every way we are. God cannot be tempted (G551 - apeirastos - untried, untempted, inexperienced, incapable of being tempted, not to be tempted), Jesus was tempted in every way we are, but resisted that temptation. There is a difference of not able to be tempted, and being tempted, and giving in to temptation.

John 17:5

Well then, maybe we don't understanding John 17:5 correctly. The passage explains itself. As well in the heart of the passage it says Father only true God. To be sure we have the right understanding, we must look to the O/T, for the O/T (which speaks of Christ), is the foundation of N/T, and Apostles teaching. And we are not to hear anything other then what they taught, not something a few hundred years later that some men put together. The apostles warned us to be careful of other letters, or by word. They warned us about a god-man, man of sin, that also goes by antichrist, which also has a meaning of in place of Christ.

Isaiah 45
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed [H3655 - kanah - name with honor, title of honor, give an epithet or cognomen] thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Shall we right off the last 2000 years of human learning and development and revert to our cave dwellings. After all why should we think that 2000 years of human learning and development be a good foundation to stand on, let's just start afresh right?

Hmmmm.........



I wasn't there when Jesus was on earth, but I truly believe in him. I wasn't there to witness that the Bible is the genuine collection of the apostles letters, but I truly believe it. I wasn't there to witness the apostles teachings, but I truly believe that the letters are from them.

So not being there as a first hand witness, still doesn't deter me from accepting what has been handed down to me. After all if I accept the last 2000 years of human learning and development handed down to me.

Why would any rational person do away with 2000 years of church history.

I think it goes without saying, something that has been handed down for many generations does not make something true, there have been many old wives tales. Many religious, or denominations have been handed down from generation, to generation, does not make them any more right. On top of that God said he would send a strong delusion to His people that do not have a love for the truth. And John said there are already many antichrists, in his day. That should cause anyone concern, of any teaching that would come afterwards, that was not from the Apostles. And the Apostles did not ratify the Nicene Creed. So, no man should be held to such a thing, unless it was signed by an Apostle. We must be held by scripture alone, and the N/T must agree with the O/T.


Which bible?

The Text we get our bibles from, as in for example Greek manuscripts. Not all of them agree, but that does not matter, because God made sure, no matter what man has done to His Word, the truth is intertwined through the pages. So to pull out a verse, out of its context here and there, will not do. And those that believe Jesus is God do do this. I'm not saying they do it on purpose, for I did the very same thing. One great example is Heb. 7:3, many denominations, and lay people try to use this to prove Jesus is God. I even did at one time. I am not here to force someone to my view. Whether I'm right, or wrong, it is God Who calls. I'm here to present my understanding of scripture, and discuss them. I do not believe we will be tormented in flames of fire for all of eternity. In fact scripture teaches not all will be resurrected. Daniel 12:2; Isaiah 26:13-14; Obadiah 15-16; Jeremiah 51:57 And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the Lord of hosts.
 
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