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Had I looked back to part one, I would not have made that comment....my bad.
You have to go back to the original Hebrew to see what Abraham means....
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
אַבְרָהָם ʼAbrâhâm, ab-raw-hawm'; contracted from H1 and an unused root (probably meaning to be populous); father of a multitude; Abraham, the later name of Abram:—Abraham.
Before I give the answer to this, you tell me what you think it means....I believe because of 1 Cor 2:14 you don't have a clue but here is your chance to prove me wrong.....have at it.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (1 Corinthians 2:14-15 [KJV])
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (1 John 3:6 [KJV])
It's in the scriptures, and they taught these things. You people just ignore and twist those scriptures to justify your own wickedness. And think that by mere prayers of forgiveness that you will somehow be forgiven while you are still breaking the commandments of God.
lord H113Easy to make that kind of mistake.
I was referring to Sara calling him lord.
1 Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord.
Genesis 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
You did not answer the question (not surprising) .....What does thisA natural man is anyone who is not spiritual. A spiritual man understands the word of God and has wisdom concerning the things of God, because the wisdom of God comes forth from the spirit of God, so anyone who is spiritual will understand this wisdom. And anyone who is spiritual, is also able to judge all things, yet he himself cannot be judged by anyone because he has been set free from sin by the spirit of God, therefore no one is able to judge him, as there is nothing to judge anymore. Yet obviously if you are still committing adultery, you have neither known him or seen God, and are thus not a spiritual man,
And if you are still sinning, you will indeed be judged.
mean? It is from your quote....I don't believe you have a clue to what it means.....but prove me wrong....no more tap-dancing."deliver such a one over to Satan".
You did not answer the question (not surprising) .....What does this
mean? It is from your quote....I don't believe you have a clue to what it means.....but prove me wrong....no more tap-dancing.
You have to take this further in regards to minial sins, which are "sins not leading to death", one can live perfect and not even commit menial sins, when one is baptized in holy spirit. I am relieved that you are closer to the truth than this other person on here who was resisting me on even the sin of adultery, as if you could commit adultery and still be saved. Absolutely appalling, and it infuriates me that someone would say that, which could cause other babes in the faith to be lead astray. People who say such things truly deserve death.
Believers have the right to deliver other believers to Satan for committing sins of death in an assembly of God. Have you not read Paul's instruction, "deliver such a one over to Satan". Any believer that teaches that a believer can still sin and still be right with God deserves to be destroyed because he is causing others to stumble and thus also lose their salvation over such destructive lies.
God's children are not of this world, they have been born from above. We have died to the world and our lives are hid in Christ. Colossians 3.
Paul was an apostle commissioned directly by Jesus Christ.
Are you claiming apostolic authority? And if so, did you meet Christ face to face like the apostles of the NT?
I am sure the mere mental lust for another woman is sin. In Matthew chapter 5 Jesus shows the holiness of God's Law. Where the Jews believed a physical sin must occur, Jesus told us the very thought betrays us.
Are you perfect as the Father in Heaven is Perfect? I'll answer that no you are not, I am not, nor was Mother Theresa. Only Jesus Christ lived that perfect sinless life on earth.
I know Jesus Christ, He is my Savior and Lord, you sir are no Jesus.
Claiming to be sinless is claiming that your body has been glorified as Christ is glorified.
Sorry your doctrine is not Biblical and in error.
Are you also claiming you are sinless?
You got that part right, but that is the easy part. The rest not so much. This is your big belief:as a little bit of leaven leavens the entire bread, meaning if you allow such a person to co-exist in the assembly of God, he will also cause the entire assembly to also lose their salvation.
lord H113
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
אָדוֹן ʼâdôwn, aw-done'; or (shortened) אָדֹן ʼâdôn; from an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, i.e. controller (human or divine):—lord, master, owner. Compare also names beginning with 'Adoni-'.
If you don't have Strong's download esword, you can choose different bibles & Srtong, commentaries, etc. Also hook up with Blue Letter Bible which is where the above comes from....helps a lot.
You got that part right, but that is the easy part. The rest not so much. This is your big belief:
1Co 5:5 turn this man over to Satan for the destruction of his body, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord.
So, how are they going to turn him over to Satan? Convene a witches coven and conjure him up? Have a midnite Satanic Mass? But you ignore the rest of the verse: so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord. But if his body is destroyed by Satan how will his spirit be saved?..Through his repentance. Being turned over to Satan is to remove him from the church. In reality all outside the church belong to Satan. He has removed himself spiritually already, now he has to be removed phsyically so he understands the consequences of what he has done; he is removed from the church. 1Co 5:13 God will judge outsiders. "Expel that wicked man." But his spirit may still be saved....how?....through repentance, grace, forgiveness which is what he and we live under. We don't know if he repents and is allowed back in; that part of the story is not given to us. But the hope is given to us.
1Co 5:1 It is actually reported that sexual immorality exists among you, and of a kind that is not found even among the gentiles. A man is actually living with his father's wife!
1Co 5:2 And you are being arrogant instead of being filled with grief and seeing to it that the man who did this is removed from among you.
1Co 5:3 Even though I am away from you physically, I am with you in spirit. I have already passed judgment on the man who did this, as though I were present with you.
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are gathered together (and I am there in spirit), and the power of our Lord Jesus is there, too,
1Co 5:5 turn this man over to Satan for the destruction of his body, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord.
1Co 5:6 Your boasting is not good. You know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough, don't you?
1Co 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast so that you may be a new batch of dough, since you are to be free from yeast. For the Messiah, our Passover, has been sacrificed.
1Co 5:8 So let's keep celebrating the festival, neither with old yeast nor with yeast that is evil and wicked, but with yeast-free bread that is both sincere and true.
1Co 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter to stop associating with people who are sexually immoral—
1Co 5:10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, greedy, robbers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world.
1Co 5:11 But now I am writing to you to stop associating with any so-called brother if he is sexually immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunk, or a robber. You must even stop eating with someone like that.
1Co 5:12 After all, is it my business to judge outsiders? You are to judge those who are in the community, aren't you?
1Co 5:13 God will judge outsiders. "Expel that wicked man."
to deliver up such to Satan for ruin of the flesh, that the spirit should be delivered in the day of the Lord Jesus. (I Corinthians 5:5 [ABP])
When Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest, saw this, he left the assembly, took a spear in his hand and followed the Israelite into the tent. He drove the spear into both of them, right through the Israelite man and into the woman's stomach. Then the plague against the Israelites was stopped; (Numbers 25:7 [KJV])
Because I grow weary reasoning with you people daily, and still you believe the same false doctrines, not even just about the trinity, but basic truths about sin. That you can be right with God and still commit adultery? HOW INSANE! You guys believe in a different Jesus that is not the Jesus of the scriptures. This is depressing to me, and to God. And I am not just grieved, I am angered, because these very teachings lead other believers, babies in the faith, little lambs, astray.
cgaviria said:It is not just apostolic authority, hence why even Paul was telling the churches for them to deliver such a one to Satan, all in one agreement with Paul, and condemning this sin that was committed, by delivering such a person to Satan so that this person can be killed by Satan. Sin is a very serious issue and will corrupt an entire assembly, and thus any brother that is sinning must be put away as to not cause the entire assembly to be leavened.
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