Why the sabbath was made before sin !

[sentipente]

You guys have a lot of stamina.

 

[Cribstyl]

Why don't all sorts of creatures and birds recognise the Sabbath?

Because they were not cursed to work, unlike man was, after the Fall....

BTW, if you did not have to work, what would rest mean to you?

Well maybe you can tell us why animals die?
If Adam was created on the sixth day, why should we assume he rested before working 6days? If it's not written where did we get all these questionable ideas?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I appreciate the spirit of the discussion. It is my studied effort to not try to convince anyone of my point of view.

In this post, it seems that you had some very serious concerns about another's point of view.

I would like to take step aside for just a bit and bring in some philosophical observations. I was reading the 10 commandments and mulling them over when I noticed something about the 10th commandment - it is a state of mind. Covetousness is the root of what underlies trouble with the 5 preceeding commandments. It embodies the inward desires and lust that precede and finds expression in theft, adultery, deception, etc. It might even be a factor with the first four as well. Having noticed that covetousness was a state of mind I looked back at the 4th. For quite some time I had taken the position that, while there is some pretty explicit guidance about the sabbath, it is largely a personal matter - a frame of mind. It comes to be how you and God work together in shaping how it works for you.

I too find "rest" to be a personal matter.

However, if I believe that the sabbath of Exodus 20 remains (as you seem to), should I view it as a personal matter, or should I follow each of the God-given commands that relate to sabbath observance?

Is there a "new" sabbath that is devoid of the God-given commands that are set out in Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus?

My personal early days were in the 50s and 60s - a rather legalistic period in SDA church history. There were a number "traditions" and rules regarding sabbath that were presented rather arbitrarily.

I agree that the SDA denomination imposes man-made rules regarding sabbath observance. However, some of the SDA rules regarding sabbath observance (i.e. kindling fires, buying and selling, traveling distances, carrying burdens, etc.) were given by God to the recipients of the sabbath.

The above paragraph is a kind of preface in response to the first paragraph quote brought foward from your post. Please take the next bit as a perception - not a judgement: I sense you to be a black and white woodcut type of thinker, one who sees a lot of lines in an idea.

As I evaluate my motives, I find your comment to be quite foreign. I have no interest in asking sabbatarians to set aside the sabbath. The above statement may be a rush to perception on your part.

Just a bit more explicit on your first and into the paragraph: No, there is nothing would cast any limits on explicit time with God. "Pray without ceasing." But there still remains the distinctives and distractions of the six "creative" days and the seventh "blessed" and "sanctified" day. Which segways nicely to your third paragraph.

If it is important to maintain a 24-hour period of rest (and I'm not sure that it is), must that 24-hour period take place at the same time each week? If so, why?

I use the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. I looked up "blessed" and "sanctified" as these are words used in Genesis 2:3. Also the etymology of "sabbath" is of interest. If you follow this out I am curious what observations you make. Please keep in mind which side of Genesis 3 we are looking.

I find your use of Merriam-Webster to be rather odd. Is the original text based on a contemporary English Dictionary?

I find it a bit difficult to wrap my mind around but look at the topic of "rest" as handled in Hebrews 3 and 4. The writer has formed a thought braid. One strand is the rest of the promised land. One strand is the rest of the sabbath day. One strand is the rest from slavery/sin and wandering. These are key aspects of the Gospel - "Come unto Me and ye shall find rest..." Remove a strand and the braid is reduced to a twisted pair. This writing is to Hebrews - a people for whom the word "rest" is "shabbath."

Galatians 3 provides helpful information regarding the role of law. It was added because of transgression until the Seed had come. It pointed forward to the coming of the Seed. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of "rest" in the same way that He is the fulfillment of "passover lamb." It is through Him that we find rest. . . . not only physical rest, but spiritual rest as well. It is through Jesus Christ that we rest from spiritual work, not only one day out of seven, but every day of the week.

Praise Jesus for His marvelous grace!

BFA

 

[OldStudent]

Sentipente makes a statement that might better end in a "!"

You guys have a lot of stamina.

But there are things about sabbath that deserve careful consideration. The original question heading this thread is a fascinating one. While I have followed this thread for a while, I have not read every posting. But usually semantics, the choice of words and the nuances implied, has a lot to do with the way the conversation goes. I have an element to add for consideration. The particular aspect for this posting has to do with the term "sabbath."

Notice the first verse of Genesis 11, "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech." It is a powerful thing to have one language and one speech. After the flood it was God's desire that man and animal "be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth" Genesis 8:17. But a group took a different tack and said, "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth" Genesis 11:4. So God tangled their tongues to break up that knot. And then Genesis 11 promptly goes into the geneology of the children of Shem.

This is an observation and perhaps an assumption on my part but those who hear and follow God are generally in a different environment than those who do not. So it would follow that the decendants of Shem would not have been in Babylon so their language would not have been involved in the jumbling of language. Thus comes this question/observation - could the very sound of the word for "rest" resemble what was heard in Eden? "Shabbath." Go to this site and take a peek at what a number calendars call the seventh day of the week - The Sabbath Part 4

It would seem then, to be self-evident that "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he shabbath on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had shabbath from all his work which God created and made" Genesis 2: 2, 3. Indeed, the sabbath was blessed (given honor) and sanctified (set aside for special purpose) by no less a personage than God, even Jesus Himself, before sin. Why? His choice for He is "Lord also of the Sabbath." It is for us to come to what understanding about it we are capable of. Simple faith even has a place.

In a world whose allegiances became divided at a tree (also His choice and reasons) in Eden, this has taken on considerable added significance. In fact, I would add this - as God had a tree of decision (Will you take God at His word or not?), could the sabbath hold that place for us and, at some point, for the world at large?

 

[Cribstyl]

Sentipente makes a statement that might better end in a "!"


But there are things about sabbath that deserve careful consideration. The original question heading this thread is a fascinating one. While I have followed this thread for a while, I have not read every posting. But usually semantics, the choice of words and the nuances implied, has a lot to do with the way the conversation goes. I have an element to add for consideration. The particular aspect for this posting has to do with the term "sabbath."

Notice the first verse of Genesis 11, "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech." It is a powerful thing to have one language and one speech. After the flood it was God's desire that man and animal "be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth" Genesis 8:17. But a group took a different tack and said, "Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth" Genesis 11:4. So God tangled their tongues to break up that knot. And then Genesis 11 promptly goes into the geneology of the children of Shem.

This is an observation and perhaps an assumption on my part but those who hear and follow God are generally in a different environment than those who do not. So it would follow that the decendants of Shem would not have been in Babylon so their language would not have been involved in the jumbling of language. Thus comes this question/observation - could the very sound of the word for "rest" resemble what was heard in Eden? "Shabbath." Go to this site and take a peek at what a number calendars call the seventh day of the week - The Sabbath Part 4

It would seem then, to be self-evident that "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he shabbath on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had shabbath from all his work which God created and made" Genesis 2: 2, 3. Indeed, the sabbath was blessed (given honor) and sanctified (set aside for special purpose) by no less a personage than God, even Jesus Himself, before sin. Why? His choice for He is "Lord also of the Sabbath." It is for us to come to what understanding about it we are capable of. Simple faith even has a place.

In a world whose allegiances became divided at a tree (also His choice and reasons) in Eden, this has taken on considerable added significance. In fact, I would add this - as God had a tree of decision (Will you take God at His word or not?), could the sabbath hold that place for us and, at some point, for the world at large?

With all due respect Old Student.


It appears to me that; God did not "Saturday" (Shabbath) , He rested" (Shabat) . These words have different meaning and therefore exposes the error made to establish a creation instituted sabbath.

From the scriptures we understand that God's rest is explained within the context of Gen 2:2-3 as an "end of", or "cease of" work, because God had finished creation in 6day.
Sabbath by definition means "day of rest" and a day(s) is always implied.


Gen 2:1¶Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (God finished everything He planned to create)

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


God's rest was a cease from all His work, rather than a day of rest and go back to work.



In brotherhood
CRIB

 

[Byfaithalone1]

It would seem then, to be self-evident that "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he shabbath on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had shabbath from all his work which God created and made" Genesis 2: 2, 3.

It is evident that God rested. What is not evident is that:

(1) God rested again on the 14th day (or on the 21st or 28th days);
(2) God established an ongoing practice of rest beginning on the 7th day and continuing very 7th day thereafter;
(3) God commanded any man to rest on the 7th day or on the 14th day or on the 21st day or on the 28th day; and
(4) God connected the concept of "worship" with the concept of "rest" such that corporate worship was to be limited to the seventh day of the week.
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A person would need to make assuptions in order to reach the above-listed conclusions.

Indeed, the sabbath was blessed (given honor) and sanctified (set aside for special purpose) by no less a personage than God, even Jesus Himself, before sin.

Correction. God rested on the seventh day of creation week. He did not sabbath on the eventh day of creation week. There is no indication that God called the seventh day "the sabbath" or that God commanded Adam to treat the seventh day any differently than any other day.

Why? His choice for He is "Lord also of the Sabbath."

Was Jesus subject to the sabbath, or was the sabbath subject to Jesus? Did Jesus work on the sabbath? What does John 5 tell us?

In a world whose allegiances became divided at a tree (also His choice and reasons) in Eden, this has taken on considerable added significance. In fact, I would add this - as God had a tree of decision (Will you take God at His word or not?), could the sabbath hold that place for us and, at some point, for the world at large?

Since you seem to be equating "the sabbath" with "the tree of knowledge of good and evil," is it fair to assume that you believe that the sabbath is (or one day will be) a great final test that will determine who is of God and who is not of God?

BFA

 

[sentipente]

There is a difference between "rested" and "rested from his work."

 

[dragNdrop]

Hi guys!

 

[capbook]

There is a difference between "rested" and "rested from his work."

May I know what's the difference?