Why the Protestant view of the Cross is wrong.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rev Randy

OK. See, we (the EO and Catholics) have been awaiting a little lamb from texas to fix the scism for us. So the persistence of said scism is really your fault.
I hear it politically correct to shift blame
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I see no reason to fix it, since I feel that was ordained by God and was perhaps a good thing....

[I wish the thread below was moved to the GT board ]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7496497-7/
Was God behind the great Schism of 1054?

I don't know whether it was of God,the devil, good or bad. But I know it causes us on both sides to look at ourselves closely. Even though it seems like we're looking at each other's faults (or supposed faults). those of God check their own eye first (thinking of your little camera thingy).

So 1054 AD was all LLoJ's fault?

Oh my!

How many candles will he need for his next birthday cake?

For the sake of eccumential peace. I didn't want to blame it on me or you. He was handy.

I believe the reformation was hinted at in Jer 18:4 "And the vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter's hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to do."

God is frequently called a "potter" (see Isa 29:16, Isa 64:8, Jer 18:6, and Rom 9:21) and we His children are frequently referred to as "clay" (see Isa 29:16, Isa 45:9, Isa 64:8, Jer 18:4 and 6, and Romans 9:21.) God's children went astray so God stepped in and reformed the clay as He saw fit.

Of course Catholics are not going to agree with this, but ya gotta admit it sure makes aheckavalotta sense!

LST

In RC parlance, the Pope today would be considered the "potter" and the RCs the clay....makes aheckavalotta sense also

http://www.christianforums.com/t7325781-104/
Pope, King of the world?

Originally Posted by simonthezealot

Ever read the Bull Unam Sanctum?
Check it out, especially the last part.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html


Along those lines take a look also at this...Also...

#1. "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God."

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[Rev Randy]

In RC parlance, the Pope today would be considered the "potter" and the RCs the clay....makes aheckavalotta sense also

http://www.christianforums.com/t7325781-104/
Pope, King of the world?








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I forgot to thank you for being my scapegoat You have broad shoulders and I was sure you could tote the load.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I forgot to thank you for being my scapegoat You have broad shoulders and I was sure you could tote the load.

I reckon that his nicknames would imply he isn't a goat.

Perhaps a 'scape lamb' ?

 

[Rev Randy]

I reckon that his nicknames would imply he isn't a goat.

Perhaps a 'scape lamb' ?

Sorry, I can't call him a sacrificial lamb. How about scape Texan?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Sorry, I can't call him a sacrificial lamb. How about scape Texan?

He's a good guy.

Isn't Texas cattle country?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rev Randy

Sorry, I can't call him a sacrificial lamb. How about scape Texan?
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He's a good guy.

Isn't Texas cattle country?

I suppose it is.
Texas is also home to the best barbeque in the country


Kreuz Market and Barbecue | Lockhart, Texas

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbX1JKknS04


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[Cocoafrost]

I wonder how long a thread titled: Why the Catholic view of the cross is wrong, would last?

One thread personally attacking non-Catholics. Amazing! (It's still open)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I wonder how long a thread titled: Why the Catholic view of the cross is wrong, would last?

One thread personally attacking non-Catholics. Amazing! (It's still open)

I could start one and find out



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[MoreCoffee]

I wonder how long a thread titled: Why the Catholic view of the cross is wrong, would last?

One thread personally attacking non-Catholics. Amazing! (It's still open)

What do you reckon the Catholic view is?

 

[BrotherDC]

I suppose it is.
Texas is also home to the best barbeque in the country


Kreuz Market and Barbecue | Lockhart, Texas

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!

John Wayne's Alamo, Ballad of the Alamo sung by Marty Robbins - YouTube


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A lot of Mexicans died in that war too, lets remember them as well.

 

[Cocoafrost]

What do you reckon the Catholic view is?

Well we could always find out if Little Lamb of Jesus dares to find out.

 

[Rev Randy]

I wonder how long a thread titled: Why the Catholic view of the cross is wrong, would last?

One thread personally attacking non-Catholics. Amazing! (It's still open)

They had one and it lasted longer than I expected. Here's the difference. A Protestant (being so varied) can always say, "That's those other Protestants". The Catholic cannot.

 

[Rev Randy]

I suppose it is.
Texas is also home to the best barbeque in the country


Kreuz Market and Barbecue | Lockhart, Texas

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!

John Wayne's Alamo, Ballad of the Alamo sung by Marty Robbins - YouTube


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I'd like to disagree and say Florida has better. But I'd be lying. I've had Texas brisket and there is none better.

 

[MoreCoffee]

They had one and it lasted longer than I expected. Here's the difference. A Protestant (being so varied) can always say, "That's those other Protestants". The Catholic cannot.

There's also the difference that even when a Catholic or an Orthodox christian says that the teaching of this or that Protestant denomination is in error on its view of the cross there is no follow up to accuse the Protestant denomination of not being Christian. This is because Catholics do not believe that Protestants are not christians.

CCC 838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptised who are honoured by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptised are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”

CCC Glossary: PROTESTANT: A person who believes in Christ and has been baptized, but who does not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety, but rather is a member of a Protestant church or ecclesial community whose roots are in the Reformation, begun in the sixteenth century

 

[Rev Randy]

There's also the difference that even when a Catholic or an Orthodox christian says that the teaching of this or that Protestant denomination is in error on its view of the cross there is no follow up to accuse the Protestant denomination of not being Christian. This is because Catholics do not believe that Protestants are not christians.

CCC 838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptised who are honoured by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptised are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”

CCC Glossary: PROTESTANT: A person who believes in Christ and has been baptized, but who does not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety, but rather is a member of a Protestant church or ecclesial community whose roots are in the Reformation, begun in the sixteenth century

Ya'll define everything in detail. It's something I've always noticed about the Roman Catholic Church.
We keep it a bit simpler by saying "We don't claim to know." I do know we do accept some Baptisms as valid from outside Orthodoxy so that says enough. Our conditional baptisms (the just in case kind) show we do not know by the words used (if thou be not already baptized).

 

[MoreCoffee]

Ya'll define everything in detail. It's something I've always noticed about the Roman Catholic Church.
We keep it a bit simpler by saying "We don't claim to know." I do know we do accept some Baptisms as valid from outside Orthodoxy so that says enough. Our conditional baptisms (the just in case kind) show we do not know by the words used (if thou be not already baptized).

Yeah, it can be helpful in cases like this thread's name and the alternate suggested by LLoJ.

It can also be a little unhelpful when folk want answers for absolutely every detail of every statement and a basic "we do not know" would have spared us the grilling

 

[Rev Randy]

Yeah, it can be helpful in cases like this thread's name and the alternate suggested by LLoJ.

It can also be a little unhelpful when folk want answers for absolutely every detail of every statement and a basic "we do not know" would have spared us the grilling

Yes, sometimes, "I don't know" is true wisdom.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes, sometimes, "I don't know" is true wisdom.

Or helpful evasion

 

[BrotherDC]

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[MamaZ]

I look at the cross as it is finished.. I rejoice in Him.