Why the mark of the beast will probably NOT be Hi-Tech

[Littlek]

Not trusting in man, and trusting only in the Lord seems scripturally sound to me. Especially in a period where they'd be "deceiving and being deceived"

Exactly, I do not trust in "man" God is ultimate control, but satan is working OT

 

[Strathos]

Shouldn't this be in the eschatology forum?

 

[JohnDB]

Jump away..I guess you are confident you are first.

The first are medical staff.
They have already gotten their first doses. They all got the Pfizer vaccine.

Moderna's is arriving Monday with an even larger shipment than the 10,000 doses of Pfizer already distributed.

My wife is getting the Moderna Vaccine most likely...she has a reservation already..but I gotta wait for mine.

Pfizer's is at Walgreens already at a few select locations. Moderna's will be more widely available soon.

I'll likely get my initial injection in January.

Tennessee is so full of fear Mongering over the Vaccines and anti Mask crowd it's unlikely I'll have to wait long.
Of course the hospitals are full past capacity.

My son just tested positive but isn't sick yet. I hope he doesn't need hospitalization. There's no room for him if he does.

 

[Littlek]

The first are medical staff.
They have already gotten their first doses. They all got the Pfizer vaccine.

Moderna's is arriving Monday with an even larger shipment than the 10,000 doses of Pfizer already distributed.

My wife is getting the Moderna Vaccine most likely...she has a reservation already..but I gotta wait for mine.

Pfizer's is at Walgreens already at a few select locations. Moderna's will be more widely available soon.

I'll likely get my initial injection in January.

Tennessee is so full of fear Mongering over the Vaccines and anti Mask crowd it's unlikely I'll have to wait long.
Of course the hospitals are full past capacity.

My son just tested positive but isn't sick yet. I hope he doesn't need hospitalization. There's no room for him if he does.

The first are medical staff.
They have already gotten their first doses. They all got the Pfizer vaccine.

Moderna's is arriving Monday with an even larger shipment than the 10,000 doses of Pfizer already distributed.

My wife is getting the Moderna Vaccine most likely...she has a reservation already..but I gotta wait for mine.

Pfizer's is at Walgreens already at a few select locations. Moderna's will be more widely available soon.

I'll likely get my initial injection in January.

Tennessee is so full of fear Mongering over the Vaccines and anti Mask crowd it's unlikely I'll have to wait long.
Of course the hospitals are full past capacity.

My son just tested positive but isn't sick yet. I hope he doesn't need hospitalization. There's no room for him if he does.

Well I hope he doesn't get sick, and you, and your wife. Our hospitals are okay here, and they have been all year. I worked there for 10 years as an RN...I still see and talk to a few nurses that I've worked with. (And I do not work in Healthcare anymore, since 2010)

 

[d taylor]

I agree with this. I mean, we should be taking proper precautions. I don't go out unless I have to...but to say I'm going against God if I don't take the vaccine? I don't agree.

All this in a way smells of an attempt to show up God by science and government. Over the years an occasional chipping away at people slowly moving science and government right in there.
The motivation is to place God in a lesser role, usurp His position to make room for science and government. Eventually people will become more and more dependent on science and government.

When that happens people will be more than happy to give more and more control to the institutions for the trade out, of keeping them safe from dying etc..

Of course this is all leading to a prepping of the people of earth, for the up and coming evil. But that evil by then will not be received as evil. After years of living the good life without need of God or at best living with a remade God to fit peoples wants and likes and needs (that have mostly been met by science and government).

 

[com7fy8]

ones who are part of Satan's kingdom, it seems to me, are planning to refuse it. How can Satan have followers who refuse what really is his mark?

I believe in God and accept his son as my savior. I am very hesitant to take the vaccine, does that make me one of satans followers? No, I wouldn't think so. I have a big trust issue in this world today...sometimes I don't know what to believe anymore.

Thank you for making yourself clear. Yes, I have said people of Satan have refused the vaccine, but I do not mean that all refusers are children of Satan. I am just making a point, that . . . if I understand correctly . . . the mark will be received by all children of Satan, not only certain ones. So, if ones are refusing it, in even maybe great numbers, the vaccine can not be the mark if not all Satanic people receive it.

And yes God's word does say not to trust in man.

"Thus says the LORD:
...'Cursed is the man who trusts in man
....And makes flesh his strength,
....Whose heart departs from the LORD.'"

So, I can see why you and a number of other Bible claiming people do not want to depend on the vaccine which is a work of man. But I note how it says the person's heart is departing from the LORD. I consider there is a difference between totally depending on humans, versus making God's use of humans for His good.

Money and cars are things of humans, with safety regulations for wearing seat belts and not driving in the wrong direction on a superhighway. And the media reporting of vaccine information comes through the Internet which humans operate.

So, my opinion is that in order to not depend on humans, at all, we would not be able to use money or cars or safety regulations or Internet reporting about vaccines . . . or use food which humans have grown and sold to us. And in order to grow our own food, we might need to depend on what humans have taught us about growing food.

So, I see the main issue is if our hearts depart from the LORD, in how we trust humans.

The mark has to do with also worshiping the beast, I would say, considering Revelation 14:9-11.

So, I don't think the mark will be a total sneak-in. I consider that Satan wants people to knowingly worship him, and knowingly deny Jesus. But it seems he does use trickery and deception; so I am open about if the mark will be obviously connected with outright conscious worship of the beast and Satan.

The Vaccines and quarantines are the compliance with what God has decreed...

You want to go against that?

I don't follow you?

There are Bible claiming people who understand that Romans 13:1-7 says God wants us to be subject to secular rulers, because "he is God's minister to you for good".

I don't think a lot of anti-vaxers are driving the wrong way on superhighways, in order to show they will not be controlled by humans. Ones can pick and choose what they consider to be conspiracy stuff to control us.

How do you know they are safe?

First, of course, you are right to be concerned about being spiritually safe!

I would say, first > pray and make sure with God, that you are obeying Him. Be able to submit to how how He personally guides us . . . so we can obey how He wants to bless us through humans, but be ready to detect when He does have us going contrary to even governmental influence.

While God can use humans to inform us about things, we do need to be able to make sure with Him about what He has us trust. Because yes humans can make things look the way they want us to see them > Joshua chapter nine has an example of how evidence was rigged to look obvious to the Israeli leaders.

After all, there is evil stuff which the government does. And we need to not go along with it. So, I talk with each person and see what he or she understands, and I do not push anyone, one way or the other, about the vaccine.

Most of all what matters is we love one another, and care about others as ourselves.

I am fine with the vaccines, but I might wait so others more at risk can get one. And I believe there are ones not trusting the vaccine, for different reasons. There are ones who may be simply somehow anti-human, putting some curse of suspicion on humans without any effort to make sure with God. But I see how ones who are Christian might be unsure; after all, there is such evil in government . . . but also elsewhere. Make sure with God, I would say, so you get good at making sure with God, all the time > 1 Thessalonians 5:21.

Do not let evil alone decide what you do!

Decades upon decades of medical science, study, testing, and observations have demonstrated clearly, beyond any reasonable doubt, that vaccinations are safe for the vast majority of people.

But the whole world is under the sway of Satan > 1 John 5:19 >

"We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." (1 John 5:19)

So, I accept that anything could be deception; but the main conspiracy is to get our attention tied up in what is going on around us, versus first staying attentive to God and submissive to Him in His peace, while we care as much about others as ourselves. There is conspiracy of Satan's kingdom to keep our attention mainly about our own selves and ones close to us.

All this in a way smells of an attempt to show up God by science and government. Over the years an occasional chipping away at people slowly moving science and government right in there.

Yes, there is gradual deception . . . including of our attention.

But part of self-deception can be how certain ones constantly present themselves as being so smarter than everyone else. And they can misguide our attention. We can get too busy with seeing only how Satan's world is acting to trick us and control us . . . instead of first being attentive and submissive to how our Father is ruling us in His own peace (Colossians 3:15, Philippians 4:6-7), and has us personally caring for any and all people (Matthew 5:46, 1 Timothy 2:1-4). Instead, ones can be very busy with pointing the finger at worldly people and criticizing, and they can be very self-congratulating how they are superior to other people.

In history, it seems ones have been so sure, many times, of how they have detected what is the mark and who is the anti-Christ. And the ones they have identified are bygones. And now we have ones who are so sure they know what is the mark.

But are we attentive to God, or only or mainly looking around us?? Jesus says, when we see these things coming to pass > "look up", in Luke 21:28.

"'Now when these things begin to happen, look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near.'" (Luke 21:28)

So, how we see things is important. Are we becoming uplifted?

Or, is pride having us looking down on others who do not agree with us? I myself can have a way of self-righteously welcoming excuses to look down on others. I should not allow myself to be marked-up with messy stuff like this!!!!

 

[UnpopularOpinion]

Have fun putting a high-tech item on every back jungle person and ones in various villages where they live in huts and hunt and gather. And there is some issue about if everyone will accept the vaccine > ones who are part of Satan's kingdom, it seems to me, are planning to refuse it. How can Satan have followers who refuse what really is his mark?

It seems to me that a number of political leaders of this world's system are unable to get the cooperation of their own voters, to get ones to keep small holiday family groups, among other things. People are not planning, also, to take a vaccine. There are plenty of ones not Christians, as far as I know, who are complaining against the tech surveillance items.

So, there are tech and medical things which are not uniting Satan's people.

You assume these people will be alive , while because of famine and fires everywhere they will be first to die

 

[George Antonios]

Or, conversely, the mark isn't supposed to be literal at all, in anyway.

The concept of a mark or seal is found in several places in Scripture. For example in the Torah God commands the Law as a mark on the forehead and upon the right hand; this gave rise to the tradition in Judaism to wearing tefilin or "phylacteries" small boxes containing Torah passages (such as Deuteronomy 6:4) strapped on the forehead and right hand by leather straps. But this is really only a visible expression of the fact that God's Law, His Torah, was supposed to be the mark and seal of His covenant people, Israel. The forehead and right hand indicative of the mind and of action--to keep God's commandments in one's heart and mind, and to do as He commands.

In Ephesians St. Paul says that we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit through faith in the Gospel.

Even in the Apocalypse itself, we see the people of God sealed by God upon their foreheads, marked as God's in Christ.

What a mark or seal means in a relevant way is to whom or to what a person belongs.

Whom do we confess as Lord? Caesar (the Beast), or Christ? There can be no compromise, one cannot confess Caesar is lord if Jesus Christ is Lord, or vice versa. And we, the Church, confess the one Lord Jesus Christ, true King and Lord, indeed, He is King of kings and Lord of lords. And thus we belong to Christ, having been sealed by the Holy Spirit, through faith, which we have received through Word and Sacrament. Thus we can boldly confess that we are baptized, we belong to Jesus, and if we belong to Jesus, we belong to God. And if we belong to God, then no earthly or diabolical power has power over us, for we are more than conquerors in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Christos Nike.
Christ has conquered.

-CryptoLutheran

See #2 in my signature.

• Just because a table leg is a figurative expression doesn't mean a man's leg is also figurative.
• Also, the spiritual seals are literal in the spiritual world.
• Also, figurative seals don't display a number, like 666, which can be calculated, and can't be said to be limited to a particular body part.

 

[ViaCrucis]

See #2 in my signature.

• Just because a table leg is a figurative expression doesn't mean a man's leg is also figurative.
• Also, the spiritual seals are literal in the spiritual world.
• Also, figurative seals don't display a number, like 666, which can be calculated, and can't be said to be limited to a particular body part.

1) Unless what is happening is a table leg being compared to another table leg.

2) I don't know what "the spiritual world" is.

3) The text doesn't say the mark "display(s) a number", the number is the number of the Beast's name, that is the Beast's name has the numerical value of six hundred and sixty-six. In languages such as Hebrew and Greek the characters of the writing system were used as numerals, and so words could have numerical value by adding the value of the letters together. So for example the Greek word ώρα (hora, "hour") is numerically 800+100+1, or 901. John tells us the numerical value of the Beast's name as a clue to his readers (which means that his readers most likely would have been able to understand who he was referring to at the time). Having the mark, or the name, or the number of the name all point toward being in allegiance with, on the side of, or loyalties too the Beast. Not some literal mark. Also, figurative marks are said to be limited to particular body parts, as I pointed out in my earlier post.

"And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes." - Deuteronomy 6:6-8

-CryptoLutheran

 

[George Antonios]

1) Unless what is happening is a table leg being compared to another table leg.

2) I don't know what "the spiritual world" is.

3) The text doesn't say the mark "display(s) a number", the number is the number of the Beast's name, that is the Beast's name has the numerical value of six hundred and sixty-six. In languages such as Hebrew and Greek the characters of the writing system were used as numerals, and so words could have numerical value by adding the value of the letters together. So for example the Greek word ώρα (hora, "hour") is numerically 800+100+1, or 901. John tells us the numerical value of the Beast's name as a clue to his readers (which means that his readers most likely would have been able to understand who he was referring to at the time). Having the mark, or the name, or the number of the name all point toward being in allegiance with, on the side of, or loyalties too the Beast. Not some literal mark. Also, figurative marks are said to be limited to particular body parts, as I pointed out in my earlier post.

"And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes." - Deuteronomy 6:6-8

-CryptoLutheran

Did you watch the full video before this post?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Did you watch the full video before this post?

I didn't, but then I don't usually watch YouTube videos posted on here.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[George Antonios]

I didn't, but then I don't usually watch YouTube videos posted on here.

-CryptoLutheran

Well the thread was about the video content...

 

[AshBlackburn]

The strange thing is the chip that's in the contactless bank card is called a RFID216 CHIP 216= 6*6*6 OR 6 cubed. It is not the mark yet but believe me covid is paving the way for this technology to be implemented in a cashless society and come on guys apple pay an apple with a bite out represents sin