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Is there not a telephone number? Did you not call beforehand and ask when would be a good time to schedule visit? Or did you just show up unannounced on a day that Jews spend totally removed from the secular world and do not engage with anything except God, Torah and Family?

No I did not call because I have visited other religious denominations and had not needed to call beforehand.

I am not familiar with the Jewish customs aside from reading and studying the OT. My interest was piqued because I found out that my surname is of Sephardic Jewish origin, So I felt as if I were going to be among family in a way. If indeed I was mistaken in showing up during a special event, then why not provide me with a time to return as I asked?

Instead the security guard was between me and the person inside as if I were some kind of criminal and the man inside with the small cap on his the back of his head seemed extremely reluctant to provide information as well as to invite me in. When I asked if the meeting were in session he said yes. When I asked if I could come in he very reluctantly was about to let me pass when the man I mentioned before showed up with a belligerent attitude accusing me of harassing, persecuting, troublemaking, and not wanting people of my kind there.

When I asked what he meant he growled that I should just leave. Then the security guard who seemed as if he were frothing at the mouth to brandish a weapon began demanding it as well and approaching me in a menacing way.

I expect that kind of attitude at a bar, a boxing match event or some other worldly place but not at the entrance of a synagogue where I am simply asking respectful religiously-related questions.
 
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I was just threatened with violence and with calling the police simply because I requested to attend a meeting at the local synagogue. The exact words were:

"Stop harassing us! We don't want your kind here! No you can't come in! We don't want you here!"

All the while the Synagogue security guard kept advancing on me in a threatening way and demanding I leave.

Please note that when I asked how my peaceful request to attend their meeting was harassment, they didn't respond but just kept repeating the above. When I mentioned that I had a Jewish surname it didn't make any difference. Neither did my explanation that I was there seeking religious guidance. I will NEVER attempt to attend a Jewish synagogue again! It might mean winding up in ER.

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What did they mean by my kind? Gentile?

Why the hostility? Is this typical?

Not typical at all. I have attended a number of Jewish services and have always been made to feel very much at home.
 
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My interest was piqued because I found out that my surname is of Sephardic Jewish origin,
I know that you are upset with me but I am going to make a suggestion anyway, please accept it in a spirit of peace that it is given in.
I would suggest that you get in touch with a Messianic Jewish Rabbi that was raised in Judaism. They could answer all your questions. You could contact Michael Brown, Rabbi Kirt Schneider, or even Nehemia Gordon, who is a practicing Jew in Judaism, and one of them would probably be able to give you a name in your area.
 
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I know that the Gestapo and Brown shirts would have treated me even worse.

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I am not attempting to kick the synagogue in the teeth in Jesus' name. However, I am very certain that YHWH does not approve of such comportment toward a person who was there with no evil intentions and that Jesus doesn't approve of it either. Perhaps it all happened for a good reason and I am better off. As they say, God works in mysterious ways.
The Lord does work in mysterious ways. Hope you are better for your experience.

BTW YHWH is the same Person as Jesus.
YHWH was Jesus's name before his incarnation.
Jesus was his name after his incarnation, during his earthly ministry and, of course, today.
 
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The Lord does work in mysterious ways. Hope you are better for your experience.

BTW YHWH is the same Person as Jesus.
YHWH was Jesus's name before his incarnation.
Jesus was his name after his incarnation, during his earthly ministry and, of course, today.
Well, I am a better person because I will never again risk going to a Jewish meeting where I might get hurt for simply being there. About Jesus and YHWH, I was educated as a non-Trinitarian so I tend to see them as two different entities. However, if indeed they are the same person that is OK by me as well. God Bless!
 
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There have been many non-Jews who have visited the synagogues I've gone to. I'd say go to another place if these people acted that way. They certainly aren't acting as we are taught to act.
I'm glad to hear that it isn't a regular accepted practice and that it isn't representative of how the Jewish religion is supposed to be. Thanks for the advice. God bless.
 
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Not typical at all. I have attended a number of Jewish services and have always been made to feel very much at home.
Good to hear that. I am still awaiting a call from the two Rabbis I reported to incident to. The police did return my call but simply told me to keep my distance from the place.-That is something they really didn't have to tell me to do since I wasn't very well going to go back anyway. Also said that the security guard was just doing his job. That also I had surmised.
 
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Sounds like some people are suspicious as to the motives of the op, here. Not sure I'm convinced on that.

In any case, there is something definitely wrong in this thread.
 
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I don't know about the customs involved in visiting Jewish places of worship (I've never been to one), but generally speaking it's not a bad idea to call ahead before showing up at some place of worship that you've never been to -- or I guess today e-mail ahead. It would probably greatly improve any situation to be able to say "I'm so and so; I spoke with/exchanged emails with your contact person, (name)." That way people know who you are ahead of time and there is someone who is already in the community who can vouch for you as being someone they've been in contact with.
 
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No I did not call because I have visited other religious denominations and had not needed to call beforehand.

I am not familiar with the Jewish customs aside from reading and studying the OT. My interest was piqued because I found out that my surname is of Sephardic Jewish origin, So I felt as if I were going to be among family in a way. If indeed I was mistaken in showing up during a special event, then why not provide me with a time to return as I asked?

Instead the security guard was between me and the person inside as if I were some kind of criminal and the man inside with the small cap on his the back of his head seemed extremely reluctant to provide information as well as to invite me in. When I asked if the meeting were in session he said yes. When I asked if I could come in he very reluctantly was about to let me pass when the man I mentioned before showed up with a belligerent attitude accusing me of harassing, persecuting, troublemaking, and not wanting people of my kind there.

When I asked what he meant he growled that I should just leave. Then the security guard who seemed as if he were frothing at the mouth to brandish a weapon began demanding it as well and approaching me in a menacing way.

I expect that kind of attitude at a bar, a boxing match event or some other worldly place but not at the entrance of a synagogue where I am simply asking respectful religiously-related questions.


The synagogue that you choose, Kesher Israel, is Orthodox and probably not the best one to go to on Saturday. It is not like a church with a standard church service. The Orthodox take Shabbat very seriously and are not very trusting of unannounced strangers. Shabbat is when Jews leave the secular world and enter a world of Holiness and prayer, rest and reflection. The services are conducted in Hebrew, Aramaic and Yiddish. The books would also be in those languages. They do not take time to answer questions because they are praying for 3-4 hours during the service. Your presence would interrupt the prayers and be an intrusion of the secular world that they are trying to withdraw from on that Holy day.


One of the Reform or Conservative Synagogues would be a better place to start. They use a lot more English in their services and are more welcoming to strangers and would be willing to answer questions and help you follow along with the service.
 
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The synagogue that you choose, Kesher Israel, is Orthodox and probably not the best one to go to on Saturday. It is not like a church with a standard church service. The Orthodox take Shabbat very seriously and are not very trusting of unannounced strangers. Shabbat is when Jews leave the secular world and enter a world of Holiness and prayer, rest and reflection. The services are conducted in Hebrew, Aramaic and Yiddish. The books would also be in those languages. They do not take time to answer questions because they are praying for 3-4 hours during the service. Your presence would interrupt the prayers and be an intrusion of the secular world that they are trying to withdraw from on that Holy day.


One of the Reform or Conservative Synagogues would be a better place to start. They use a lot more English in their services and are more welcoming to strangers and would be willing to answer questions and help you follow along with the service.


I appreciate your explanation. I would never have respectfully requested to attend personally at their Synagogue entrance had I known the extreme suspiciousness which you describe is typical or had I known that the services were all conducted in a language other than English. It was a mistake and as a human being I am susceptible to make mistakes. However, my mistake doesn't justify the seemingly demonically inspired behavior. Curiously I haven't as yet received a telephone nor a write response to either my call nor my respectful letter requesting an explanation from the Rabbi whom I assumed was not the man telling me to leave and threatening to sic his security guard on me d to call the police.

Please note that a synagogue does not exist in a social vacuum. So the behavior of its members towards others of the community will either enhance or harm its reputation, will either make its presence welcomed or unwelcomed. That particular synagogue has indeed been harassed by Anglo American intolerant factions. So I risked sharing their persecution by being seen going there and being identified as a Jew as well but I did nor care because I was seeking God. That he did not take into consideration.

That anti Jewish harassment he savagely mentioned and unjustifiably identified me with should not and cannot be justifiably attributed to the non-Jewish community at large or arbitrarily deposited directly at the feet of whomever might happen to show up with sincere interest at his synagogue.

In fact, that behavior is totally unworthy of Judaism and of any person bearing the title of Rabbi. That behavior is more typical of a fanatical thug hell-bent on getting even with any non-Jewish member of the community because of some paranoid delusion or because he, whoever he indeed might be at that synagogue, now feels empowered to treat certain minority group members in a blatantly discriminatory way perhaps based on current popular Trumpian political predilections of which he might approve.

In short, if indeed his God approves of it, then I want nothing to do with his particular god nor the manner that he demands other humans be treated in response to a that type of mistake.

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I was once tortured for a week by a Jewish dentist because he blamed me for the Spanish Inquisition. That should have taught me a lesson right there to be extremely careful where I dare to tread lest I get savagely mangled. But I chose to consider it an anomaly by a foolish old man and did not take it to heart.

No, please note that I still don't blame all Jewish people for it since most Jews I have encountered have been very decent and compassionate. However, the Rabbi of a local nearby temple, Reformed Judaism, a few blocks away who did indeed have the courtesy to call me to explain after I contacted him and described the incident.

First thing he said in a cold tone of voice was that unannounced visitors, such as I had been, to synagogues are unwelcomed. That a special appointment needed to be made with a Rabbi. Not me nor him of course but in general. He showed no interest in being hospitable to my interest and his tone of voice when the conversation was over was that of extreme suspicion.

He also seemed mechanically and fervently dedicated to proving that I have no Jewish ancestor without going into convincing details concerning why I am strapped with a Sephardic Jewish surname but just glibly mentioned some confusing unconvincing nebulous historical factor while quickly and flippantly dismissing it as bogus.

The clear albeit rather veiled un-vocalized message, whether intended or not, was we don't need you nor want you here so please stay clear. In short, he seemed to view the behavior as somewhat understandable in view of the previous harassments that that synagogue had undergone by mentioning the harassment factor in relation to it.

""No damage really done and don't care too much if it was anyway attitude. So just accept it and uum, BTW my apologies a view times thrown in just in case the social rep of the local Synagogues might be at stake. And ummm please understand that we prefer you stay away?" sort of message. YIKES!
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Thanks but no thanks!

Better had he not called me at all.
BTW

Both the young Jew and his young probably "" Christian"" security guard disrespected my age.

1 Timothy 5:1-2 - Rebuke not an elder, but intreat [him] as a father; [and] the younger men as brethren; (Read More...)

Leviticus 19:32 - Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I [am] the LORD.
 
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I appreciate your explanation. I would never have respectfully requested to attend personally at their Synagogue entrance had I known the extreme suspiciousness which you describe is typical or had I known that the services were all conducted in a language other than English. It was a mistake and as a human being I am susceptible to make mistakes. However, my mistake doesn't justify the seemingly demonically inspired behavior. Curiously I haven't as yet received a telephone nor a write response to either my call nor my respectful letter requesting an explanation from the Rabbi whom I assumed was not the man telling me to leave and threatening to sic his security guard on me d to call the police.

Please note that a synagogue does not exist in a social vacuum. So the behavior of its members towards others of the community will either enhance or harm its reputation, will either make its presence welcomed or unwelcomed. That particular synagogue has indeed been harassed by Anglo American intolerant factions. So I risked sharing their persecution by being seen going there and being identified as a Jew as well but I did nor care because I was seeking God. That he did not take into consideration.

That anti Jewish harassment he savagely mentioned and unjustifiably identified me with should not and cannot be justifiably attributed to the non-Jewish community at large or arbitrarily deposited directly at the feet of whomever might happen to show up with sincere interest at his synagogue.

In fact, that behavior is totally unworthy of Judaism and of any person bearing the title of Rabbi. That behavior is more typical of a fanatical thug hell-bent on getting even with any non-Jewish member of the community because of some paranoid delusion or because he, whoever he indeed might be at that synagogue, now feels empowered to treat certain minority group members in a blatantly discriminatory way perhaps based on current popular Trumpian political predilections of which he might approve.

In short, if indeed his God approves of it, then I want nothing to do with his particular god nor the manner that he demands other humans be treated in response to a that type of mistake.

BTW

I was once tortured for a week by a Jewish dentist because he blamed me for the Spanish Inquisition. That should have taught me a lesson right there to be extremely careful where I dare to tread lest I get savagely mangled. But I chose to consider it an anomaly by a foolish old man and did not take it to heart.

No, please note that I still don't blame all Jewish people for it since most Jews I have encountered have been very decent and compassionate. However, the Rabbi of a local nearby temple, Reformed Judaism, a few blocks away who did indeed have the courtesy to call me to explain after I contacted him and described the incident.

First thing he said in a cold tone of voice was that unannounced visitors, such as I had been, to synagogues are unwelcomed. That a special appointment needed to be made with a Rabbi. Not me nor him of course but in general. He showed no interest in being hospitable to my interest and his tone of voice when the conversation was over was that of extreme suspicion.

He also seemed mechanically and fervently dedicated to proving that I have no Jewish ancestor without going into convincing details concerning why I am strapped with a Sephardic Jewish surname but just glibly mentioned some confusing unconvincing nebulous historical factor while quickly and flippantly dismissing it as bogus.

The clear albeit rather veiled un-vocalized message, whether intended or not, was we don't need you nor want you here so please stay clear. In short, he seemed to view the behavior as somewhat understandable in view of the previous harassments that that synagogue had undergone by mentioning the harassment factor in relation to it.

""No damage really done and don't care too much if it was anyway attitude. So just accept it and uum, BTW my apologies a view times thrown in just in case the social rep of the local Synagogues might be at stake. And ummm please understand that we prefer you stay away?" sort of message. YIKES!
do
Thanks but no thanks!

Better had he not called me at all.
BTW

Both the young Jew and his young probably "" Christian"" security guard disrespected my age.

1 Timothy 5:1-2 - Rebuke not an elder, but intreat [him] as a father; [and] the younger men as brethren; (Read More...)

Leviticus 19:32 - Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I [am] the LORD.


They are not Sephardic; they are Ashkenazi and a Sephardic surname means little to them. I am Sephardic and they would have treated me the same way if I had shown up unannounced or uninvited unless someone there knew me. You probably did not see the Rabbi at all because they are not the leader of the service like the Minister or Priest in Christian services; they are just there to interpret Jewish law. The security was not Jewish as working on the Sabbath is forbidden to Jews. Did you even wonder why there is security there? If you were a people that had been persecuted for thousands of years, would you trust someone trying to prove how Jewish their name was the week after the anniversary of Kristallnacht and the election of someone that has caused neo-Nazis to feel empowered? Does your church have a bomb sniffing dog? My mine does. Why is that? Did you know they can read internet forums too? When the first thought that comes to someone is to blow Jewish heads off because of a perceived slight, would that not justify in the Jewish mind that they were correct in not allowing access.

No, of course not, it is just the big bad stupid Jews being meanies.
 
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I don't know if this plays a part in what happened, but I googled "Violence against Jews in PA" and got this:
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...UTF-8#q=violence+against+jews+in+pennsylvania

At our synagogue, we have security, to protect us from violence. It is a real danger that requires vigilance.

Perhaps consider forgiving them. They've most likely encountered some bad incidents in the past, and are hyper vigilant toward strangers.

Mistakes happen. The security guard obviously thought he noticed something that posed a potential threat. The reluctance of the man attending the door means both him and the security guard were concerned.

I'm sorry for what happened to you. I'm sorry that your good intentions were not understood. I'm sure that day was very upsetting for everyone involved.

Please consider forgiving them. I don't think they were trying to harass or reject you. They were probably only trying to protect themselves.

Did they do it the right way? Maybe not, but we don't know what they have experienced in the past with strangers.

Glad to hear about your Jewish ancestry.

I hope you are able to find out more about your Jewish roots.

God will have a safe place for you to grow in your Jewish knowledge, among people who know you and accept you.

I'm praying for you to heal from this incident, and receive God's love and mercy to such an extreme degree that you can forgive the door attendant and the security guard for how they treated you.

I'm also praying for that congregation, for their safety from any dangers they may be facing. As per the internet info, they clearly have genuine security concerns in PA.

God Bless you my brother.
 
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They are not Sephardic; they are Ashkenazi and a Sephardic surname means little to them. I am Sephardic and they would have treated me the same way if I had shown up unannounced or uninvited unless someone there knew me. You probably did not see the Rabbi at all because they are not the leader of the service like the Minister or Priest in Christian services; they are just there to interpret Jewish law. The security was not Jewish as working on the Sabbath is forbidden to Jews. Did you even wonder why there is security there? If you were a people that had been persecuted for thousands of years, would you trust someone trying to prove how Jewish their name was the week after the anniversary of Kristallnacht and the election of someone that has caused neo-Nazis to feel empowered? Does your church have a bomb sniffing dog? My mine does. Why is that? Did you know they can read internet forums too? When the first thought that comes to someone is to blow Jewish heads off because of a perceived slight, would that not justify in the Jewish mind that they were correct in not allowing access.

No, of course not, it is just the big bad stupid Jews being meanies.

The first thing that came to my mind wasn't blowing anyone's heads off. The first thing that came to my mind was that I was in a nightmare situation where the Jewish behemoth on my right and his Gentile cohort were about to physically savage me on the synagogue entrance. You see, I carry no firearm nor do I posses an firearm. However, if I had had one and they would have physically attacked me as their body language was insinuating, then I would have had a right to defend myself. Furthermore, it is a serious crime to physically an unjustifiably attack a senior citizen in the USA. So that would have gone against them in a court of law.

Why did I mention Jewish heads being in danger of getting blown off, well, because if done to someone else that possibility emerges. Some people are mentally unstable and don't think twice before shooting others who threaten them in that way. Especially if totally unprovoked. Also,. my response was in response to people on this forum gloating and indicating that I deserved it. Proverbs tells us that a reply when offensive causes anger to arise. So why use hurtful words and then complain the anger that it provoked arises? I apologized already for having offended with those words yet you mechanically and mindlessly and monotonously keep harping on it. Are you that severe with yourself? I doubt it.

As for violence? Sorry but I have no police record nor have ever been arrested and don't intend to be. neither do I intend to soil my hands before God by taking a human life nor mangling anyone. That behavior is demonic and non-Christian and I don't practice it nor condone it.

Also, I never said all Jews are stupid. I clearly said that the majority of Jews I have encountered were descent compassionate people and that I do not judge all Jews nor any other group of people based on isolated incidences of this kind.

You mention a host of names of people who are racist and who that Synagogue might have fear of. You also mention celebrations or anniversaries in relation to those bigots. I have absolutely no knowledge of those people. However, I assume that they are of Anglo persuasion? I am not of Anglo persuasion.

My knowledge of the Jewish people is based on my lifelong study of the OT where they are depicted as being in special relationship with the creator. Because of that I have great admiration for them and a special view of their society. My approach to their synagogue was based on that profound respect and nothing more. That they took it in that erroneous way is not my flaw, it is theirs.
 
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They are not Sephardic; they are Ashkenazi and a Sephardic surname means little to them. I am Sephardic and they would have treated me the same way if I had shown up unannounced or uninvited unless someone there knew me. You probably did not see the Rabbi at all because they are not the leader of the service like the Minister or Priest in Christian services; they are just there to interpret Jewish law. The security was not Jewish as working on the Sabbath is forbidden to Jews. Did you even wonder why there is security there? If you were a people that had been persecuted for thousands of years, would you trust someone trying to prove how Jewish their name was the week after the anniversary of Kristallnacht and the election of someone that has caused neo-Nazis to feel empowered? Does your church have a bomb sniffing dog? My mine does. Why is that? Did you know they can read internet forums too? When the first thought that comes to someone is to blow Jewish heads off because of a perceived slight, would that not justify in the Jewish mind that they were correct in not allowing access.

No, of course not, it is just the big bad stupid Jews being meanies.

Please note, and as I said, I was aware of the harassment that the particular synagogue had experienced because it was reported on the Evening news some years ago,.. So I knew that if I was identified with them I would need to share the possibility of getting harassed myself or share in their harassment but did not care because I was seeking God.

I am aware that the guy who was security isn't a Jew. He had no cap on his head and just went robotically along with what the Jew was angrily saying. Whether he was a Rabbi or not is really of no consequence. The Rabbi received my letter and my phone message and has chosen not to respond. That is OK and the end of it as far as I am concerned. Of course the experience caused me severe distress and I felt that I almost had a heart attack. But that is forgiven and forgotten. Ultimately we must all stand before the judgment seat and be evaluated for our behavior. So there is a certain consolation in that fact.
 
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I was just threatened with violence and with calling the police simply because I requested to attend a meeting at the local synagogue. The exact words were:

"Stop harassing us! We don't want your kind here! No you can't come in! We don't want you here!"

All the while the Synagogue security guard kept advancing on me in a threatening way and demanding I leave.

Please note that when I asked how my peaceful request to attend their meeting was harassment, they didn't respond but just kept repeating the above. When I mentioned that I had a Jewish surname it didn't make any difference. Neither did my explanation that I was there seeking religious guidance. I will NEVER attempt to attend a Jewish synagogue again! It might mean winding up in ER.

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What did they mean by my kind? Gentile?

Why the hostility? Is this typical?

Are you praying for them, brother?
 
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The first thing that came to my mind wasn't blowing anyone's heads off. The first thing that came to my mind was that I was in a nightmare situation where the Jewish behemoth on my right and his Gentile cohort were about to physically savage me on the synagogue entrance. You see, I carry no firearm nor do I posses an firearm. However, if I had had one and they would have physically attacked me as their body language was insinuating, then I would have had a right to defend myself. Furthermore, it is a serious crime to physically an unjustifiably attack a senior citizen in the USA. So that would have gone against them in a court of law.

Why did I mention Jewish heads being in danger of getting blown off, well, because if done to someone else that possibility emerges. Some people are mentally unstable and don't think twice before shooting others who threaten them in that way. Especially if totally unprovoked. Also,. my response was in response to people on this forum gloating and indicating that I deserved it. Proverbs tells us that a reply when offensive causes anger to arise. So why use hurtful words and then complain the anger that it provoked arises? I apologized already for having offended with those words yet you mechanically and mindlessly and monotonously keep harping on it. Are you that severe with yourself? I doubt it.

As for violence? Sorry but I have no police record nor have ever been arrested and don't intend to be. neither do I intend to soil my hands before God by taking a human life nor mangling anyone. That behavior is demonic and non-Christian and I don't practice it nor condone it.

Also, I never said all Jews are stupid. I clearly said that the majority of Jews I have encountered were descent compassionate people and that I do not judge all Jews nor any other group of people based on isolated incidences of this kind.

You mention a host of names of people who are racist and who that Synagogue might have fear of. You also mention celebrations or anniversaries in relation to those bigots. I have absolutely no knowledge of those people. However, I assume that they are of Anglo persuasion? I am not of Anglo persuasion.

My knowledge of the Jewish people is based on my lifelong study of the OT where they are depicted as being in special relationship with the creator. Because of that I have great admiration for them and a special view of their society. My approach to their synagogue was based on that profound respect and nothing more. That they took it in that erroneous way is not my flaw, it is theirs.
 
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