Why the Fathers did not leave any remains or fossils

[dad]

At the university of Texas they have a "Farm" of over 30 acres, where the students recover bodies left in the open at various stages of decomposition to study. Bones decompose in as little as 5 years....all depending on air and moisture.

I've seen animals turn to dust much quicker on the street. My dogs even find the dust to be very interesting.

I see. You are saying that in some cases, man can become only dust in a matter of five years. So in five years, there is no bone matter at all, only fine dust?

 

[dad]

What do you mean by "early record"?
OB

I mean, in science terms, the time before the KT layer. In Bible terms, I mean the pre-flood era and shortly after. The two can't correlate because science uses a belief based system to determine 'dates'.

 

[Occams Barber]

Well, I place the time of the flood somewhere around the KT layer. We see no men there.

The K-T boundary marks the transition between the Cretaceous (K) and Tertiary (T) periods. It dates back to around 66 million years ago. It's also known as the end of the dinosaurs thanks primarily to a major asteroid strike off the coast near the Yucatan Peninsula. The earliest known fossils of (pre) human ancestry are around 6-7 million years old.

So, in a sense, you're right Dad. There were no men around at the time of the K-T event and, given the asteroid strike, there was a lot of water, in the form of tsunami, sloshing around. You just got the dates wrong.

OB

 

[JackRT]

You just got the dates wrong.

No, actually. Everyone is wrong except Dad.

 

[Occams Barber]

No, actually. Everyone is wrong except Dad.

Defeated by Dad... again!?!?

When will we learn??
OB

 

[JackRT]

Defeated by Dad... again!?!?

When will we learn??
OB

I feel so humbled.

 

[SkyWriting]

I see. You are saying that in some cases, man can become only dust in a matter of five years. So in five years, there is no bone matter at all, only fine dust?

Conditions vary greatly. Exposed bones crumble in 10-20 years.
But I've seen a squirrel in front of my house, in the street
that had no bones and was virtually sand when I swept him up.
It had to be 2 months at most.

Human bones with moisture and oxygen can be gone in 5 - 12 years with light soil covering.

 

[BobRyan]

God told Adam that he would return to dust. Modern man does not do that, his remains decay slowly. From a bible perspective, we could assume that pre-flood man would have left no remains other than dust. We can also deduce that man would not have been in the fossil record although he was living on earth.

Fossils are not the physical remains of old life forms - In all cases the original life form is gone "returned to dust" as you say in your post about pre-flood life forms. That is also true post-flood.

common fossils -- cast fossils - form when minerals deposit into the mold left by the rotting organic material that is in fact returning to dust. And does return to dust. It is the mineral deposits that are left in the "form" of what had been there before.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

how old are bog bodies?
Who Were the Ancient Bog Mummies? Surprising New Clues
Europe's Famed Bog Bodies Are Starting to Reveal Their Secrets | Science | Smithsonian Magazine
Bog body - Wikipedia
Bog Bodies

"For centuries, archaeologists and other scholars have been trying to unravel the mystery behind the hundreds of bodies—the oldest dating back some 10,000 years—found buried in the wetlands of Northern Europe."
https://www.history.com/news/what-are-the-bog-bodies

 

[JackRT]

Fascinating stuff!

 

[dad]

The K-T boundary marks the transition between the Cretaceous (K) and Tertiary (T) periods. It dates back to around 66 million years ago.

The K-T boundary marks the transition between the Cretaceous (K) and Tertiary (T) periods. It dates back to around 4500 years ago. That was easy.

It's also known as the end of the dinosaurs thanks primarily to a major asteroid strike off the coast near the Yucatan Peninsula. The earliest known fossils of (pre) human ancestry are around 6-7 million years old.

Since dinosaurs were probably adapted created kinds, they would not have been original kinds and invited onto the ark. Therefore...extinction. Try to remember that when tossing out so-called dates you need to support them.

So, in a sense, you're right Dad. There were no men around at the time of the K-T event

Except I said there were. Don't misrepresent other posters.

and, given the asteroid strike,

Not determined. It could have been a strike from below going up for all we know. A remnant of a fount of the deep. Shocked quartz may tell us there was an impact, now try to prove the direction.

there was a lot of water, in the form of tsunami, sloshing around.

In your head, yes.

 

[dad]

Conditions vary greatly. Exposed bones crumble in 10-20 years.
But I've seen a squirrel in front of my house, in the street
that had no bones and was virtually sand when I swept him up.
It had to be 2 months at most.

Human bones with moisture and oxygen can be gone in 5 - 12 years with light soil covering.

Yet old remains are found all the time. Normally it takes time to decay away.

example


1,200-year-old bones found in Aachen Cathedral in Germany believed to belong to Charlemagne, King of the Franks

 

[dad]

Fossils are not the physical remains of old life forms - In all cases the original life form is gone "returned to dust" as you say in your post about pre-flood life forms. That is also true post-flood.

Right, but unless remains exist and last long enough for the processes to happen there can not be a fossil.

common fossils -- cast fossils - form when minerals deposit into the mold left by the rotting organic material that is in fact returning to dust. And does return to dust. It is the mineral deposits that are left in the "form" of what had been there before.

I know. But if Adam turned to dust real fast, he would not have left bones for us to find, or any fossilized remains either.

 

[BobRyan]

Right, but unless remains exist and last long enough for the processes to happen there can not be a fossil.
I know. But if Adam turned to dust real fast, he would not have left bones for us to find, or any fossilized remains either.

Adam lived for 930 years after that event .. longer age... possibly larger bones.

Common reasons for not finding Adam's bones.
1. We are not even remotely close to having found all the fossils and bones buried in the Earth.
2. Adam did not live in dry desert conditions so those bones would not last 1000 years in the dirt before they had long since become dust.
3. At the flood there was massive upheaval and turning over of the Earth's surface as can be noted by the oil fields deep under ground and under the ocean... pretty hard to excavate every bit of that.

So long before you get to a supposedly instant form of bone decay at the time of Adam.. comes 3 factors that are very daunting that would need to be overcome before you might expect to find his bones.

 

[dad]

Adam lived for 930 years after that event .. longer age... possibly larger bones.

Common reasons for not finding Adam's bones.
1. We are not even remotely close to having found all the fossils and bones buried in the Earth

Problem: There are NO bones for most animals and man from the beginning. If you claim they should exist that is a problem and you need to support such a claim.

2. Adam did not live in dry desert conditions so those bones would not last 1000 years in the dirt before they had long since become dust.

I am not sure where Adam migrated to or what the conditions were like. Nor do we know nature was the same, so conditions matter little. If the natural course of events in that time was for most animals and mankind to quickly turn to dust, then that would have been the order of the day. The natural course of events at the time.

3. At the flood there was massive upheaval and turning over of the Earth's surface as can be noted by the oil fields deep under ground and under the ocean... pretty hard to excavate every bit of that.

Irrelevant. If most animals and man could leave remains we would see those remains in the early fossil record...example in the Cambrian.

So long before you get to a supposedly instant form of bone decay at the time of Adam.. comes 3 factors that are very daunting that would need to be overcome before you might expect to find his bones.

No. Those factors would not result in NO fossils or bones ever found in the early record.

 

[dad]

No, actually. Everyone is wrong except Dad.

It is humbling.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It is humbling.

It's spelled "humbug", not "humbling"

 

[Occams Barber]

It is humbling.

And you have much to be humble about Dad.
OB

 

[dad]

It's spelled "humbug", not "humbling"

Your posts don't leave many remains either

 

[dad]

And you have much to be humble about Dad.
OB

Don't we all.