Why the Christian creation myth

[AnotherAtheist]

Are there any reasons why the Christian creation myth should be preferred to (or is more likely to be true than) the creation myth of the the Bushongo people, which says that the lonely God Bumba had a terrible stomach ache one day and vomited up the sun, moon, stars, and the earth?

 

[Favourofone]

Are there any reasons why the Christian creation myth should be preferred to (or is more likely to be true than) the creation myth of the the Bushongo people, which says that the lonely God Bumba had a terrible stomach ache one day and vomited up the sun, moon, stars, and the earth?

Yes, on these forums it is courtesy to prefer Christian creation myth.

If lonely God Bumba has gotten his followers tech savvy enough they will have their own forums where his stomach ache is given preferred treatment.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

Look up Exploring Biblical Creation by Eric Hovind, if you can handle it, uses science to basically prove Biblical Worldview as fact.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Yes, on these forums it is courtesy to prefer Christian creation myth.

If lonely God Bumba has gotten his followers tech savvy enough they will have their own forums where his stomach ache is given preferred treatment.

Surely what is true and false should be down to the evidence, rather than courtesy.

Is there any reason to believe the Christian creation myth to be more likely to be true than the myth of Bumba's gastric issues?

Look up Exploring Biblical Creation by Eric Hovind, if you can handle it, uses science to basically prove Biblical Worldview as fact.

Can you paraphrase one of the arguments, and explain how it is more likely to be true than the account of Bumba?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yes, on these forums it is courtesy to prefer Christian creation myth.

If lonely God Bumba has gotten his followers tech savvy enough they will have their own forums where his stomach ache is given preferred treatment.

If the alternative is true, then the earth, moon and stars would be made of tomato skins and diced carrots!

 

[Favourofone]

So this guy

Eric Hovind - RationalWiki

To be fair......I wasn’t impressed by his resume.

 

[Favourofone]

Is there any reason to believe the Christian creation myth to be more likely to be true than the myth of Bumba's gastric issues?

Unless you have faith in Christianity, nope.

Although Bumba myth lacks certain style and imagination people usually require of these events that have deeper meaning for them.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

So this guy

Eric Hovind - RationalWiki

To be fair......I wasn’t impressed by his resume.

I looked up Eric Hovind's arguments for creationism, but couldn't find any. I did find a video where he is convincingly out-debated by an eleven year old. Hovind's only argument is to ask the eleven year old if he could be wrong. Hovind seems to believe that if Hovind claims absolute certainty then he 'wins' over those who don't. However, that same argument could be applied to the Bushongo creation myth. And hence, it doesn't appear that Hovind has any evidence or argument that would favour the Christian creation myth of the Bushongo one.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Unless you have faith in Christianity, nope.

Although Bumba myth lacks certain style and imagination people usually require of these events that have deeper meaning for them.

How is imagination and style related to likelihood of truth?

 

[Speedwell]

Are there any reasons why the Christian creation myth should be preferred to (or is more likely to be true than) the creation myth of the the Bushongo people, which says that the lonely God Bumba had a terrible stomach ache one day and vomited up the sun, moon, stars, and the earth?

I see no reason to suppose that the Genesis creation stories were even considered to be "true" (in the sense that creationist mean) by the people who wrote them.

 

[Favourofone]

Hovind seems to believe that if Hovind claims absolute certainty then he 'wins' over those who don't.

In December 2013, Hovind debated Thom Hartmann. During the debate, Hovind embarrassed himself by making a ridiculous claim that American public schools teach children they are "cousins of bananas", and that they "evolved from rocks."[24]

That won me over at least. I know many people that appear to have evolved from rocks and this finally explains it.

 

[Favourofone]

How is imagination and style related to likelihood of truth?

They aren’t. However, people are embarrassed if they are here as a result of their God picking his nose or something so that faith is probably not going to stick around for long enough to be recorded.

 

[CodyFaith]

It's not a matter of believing soley because of the creation account. You first place your trust in Jesus to give you eternal life and save you from your sinful life (which he gives this offer to all mankind) and from there you trust the creation account that is given.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

[Staff edit].

It's not a matter of believing soley because of the creation account. You first place your trust in Jesus to give you eternal life and save you from your sinful life (which he gives this offer to all mankind) and from there you trust the creation account that is given.

But, could not someone equally put their faith in Bumba of the Bushombo religion equally as strongly as anyone believes in Jesus Christ?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Are there any reasons why the Christian creation myth should be preferred to (or is more likely to be true than) the creation myth of the the Bushongo people, which says that the lonely God Bumba had a terrible stomach ache one day and vomited up the sun, moon, stars, and the earth?

Why would Christians prefer the Genesis creation myth over another creation myth? Or why should secular society accept it over any other?

Because I think the answer to the first question would be somewhat self-evident, as for the latter there's no reason. Creation myths are relevant for those who find meaning in them as theology, which is why Christianity receives the creation myth in Genesis as having theological importance for us in our religion (regardless of whether we interpret it literally or in some other way). But I can't think of a reason why those who aren't Jews or Christians should accept something that is meaningful to Jews and Christians because it is part of our scriptural and theological traditions.

And if we are talking about science, I think science should be taught as science. Genesis 1 & 2 aren't science and shouldn't be taught as science or in a science classroom.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Why would Christians prefer the Genesis creation myth over another creation myth? Or why should secular society accept it over any other?

Because I think the answer to the first question would be somewhat self-evident, as for the latter there's no reason. Creation myths are relevant for those who find meaning in them as theology, which is why Christianity receives the creation myth in Genesis as having theological importance for us in our religion (regardless of whether we interpret it literally or in some other way). But I can't think of a reason why those who aren't Jews or Christians should accept something that is meaningful to Jews and Christians because it is part of our scriptural and theological traditions.

And if we are talking about science, I think science should be taught as science. Genesis 1 & 2 aren't science and shouldn't be taught as science or in a science classroom.

-CryptoLutheran

I mean prefer in the logical sense of the world (which I disambiguated when I introduced it.) For what reasons, if any, is the Christian account more likely to be true than the Bushombo account?

 

[ViaCrucis]

So this guy

Eric Hovind - RationalWiki

To be fair......I wasn’t impressed by his resume.

You shouldn't be, he's the son of noted crackpot Kent Hovind, even YEC organizations try and stay clear of him.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Favourofone]

It's not a matter of believing soley because of the creation account. You first place your trust in Jesus to give you eternal life and save you from your sinful life (which he gives this offer to all mankind) and from there you trust the creation account that is given.

Like getting a girlfriend move in and suddenly you have those extra lotion bottles, fridge full of vegan junk food, exercise bike neither of you ever use and few of her best friends you would cheerfully shoot over nearest cliff with a catapult.

It is a package deal and later you begin to appreciate your now smooth skin, lean vegan body and you are already cheating her with one her annoying best friends that’s actually so much hotter than she is that you can’t even remember why you didn’t like her in the first place.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I mean prefer in the logical sense of the world (which I disambiguated when I introduced it.) For what reasons, if any, is the Christian account more likely to be true than the Bushombo account?

I mean, that depends on what you mean by true. You mean literally true? I don't take it as literally true--I don't believe the universe came into existence in a period of six days, or that Adam and Eve were literal-historic persons who by the litearl eating of a literal fruit from a literal forbidden tree introduced sin and death; but would agree with Origen of Alexandria that by these something deeper is intended to be conveyed.

I would again point out that I can't think of a reason someone who is neither Jew or Christian would need to seriously treat the story as anything other than a story--the relevance is only there if one already has a religious belief in which the story is relevant. I assume the Bushombo people derive a great deal of meaning from their story as part of their religio-cultural identity.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Favourofone]

I mean prefer in the logical sense of the world (which I disambiguated when I introduced it.) For what reasons, if any, is the Christian account more likely to be true than the Bushombo account?

There aren’t any logical reasons. It is purely a matter of faith.