Why The Attack.....

[visionary]

Just so people like you who do not know why the decry can read the thread and learn

 

[Reader Antonius]

Just so people like you who do not know why the decry can read the thread and learn

That is what I am here for!

Kyrie Eleison!

 

[visionary]

The decry part or the biblical way?

 

[Athaliamum]

Perhaps it might be best if we explain the partucular practices of those holidays that are rooted in paganism.

 

[Reader Antonius]

The decry part or the biblical way?

Both.

 

[visionary]

I think we should present the truth first and then compare it with the changes.

 

[Reader Antonius]

Perhaps it might be best if we explain the partucular practices of those holidays that are rooted in paganism.

Now we're getting somewhere.

Please continue...

 

[visionary]

The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." Larry Boemler "Asherah and Easter," Biblical Archaeology Review, Vol. 18, Number 3, 1992-May/June reprinted at: http://www.worldmissions.org/Clipper/Holidays/EasterAndAsherah.htm

Aphrodite from ancient Cyprus
Ashtoreth from ancient Israel
Astarté from ancient Greece
Demeter from Mycenae
Hathor from ancient Egypt
Ishtar from Assyria
Kali, from India
Ostara a Norse Goddess of fertility

Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a fictional consort who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. He was Attis, who was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25. "About 200 B.C. mystery cults began to appear in Rome just as they had earlier in Greece. Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill.

 

[Athaliamum]

I think we should present the truth first and then compare it with the changes.

Yeah that might be good. Are you happy with that Knightwolflord?

 

[visionary]

The name "Easter" is merely the slightly changed English spelling of the name of the ancient Assyrian goddess Ishtar, pronounced by the Assyrians exactly as we pronounce "Easter." The Babylonian name of this goddess was Astarte, consort of Baal, the Sun god, whose worship is denounced by The Almighty in the Bible as the most abominable of all pagan idolatry.

Look up the word "Easter" in Webster's dictionary. You will find: "AS. (Anglo-Saxon), from name of an old Teuton goddess of spring.... which is something that can be found in King James's court.

 

[visionary]

The ancient gods of the pagans had many different names. While this goddess was called Astarte in Babylon, it appears on Assyrian monuments found by Layard in excavations at Nineveh as Ishtar (Layard's Nineveh and Babylon, page 629). Both were pronounced "Easter". Likewise, Beltis, or Bel (referred to in the Old Testament) also was called Mooch. It was for sacrificing to Moloch (1 Kings 11:1-11, especially verse 7, where Moloch is called an abomination)

 

[visionary]

"The festival, of which we read in church history, under the name Easter, in the third or forth centuries, was quite a different festival from that now observed in the Roman (and Protestant) church, and at that time was not known by any such name as Easter. IT WAS CALLED PASSOVER, and was very early observed by Christians.... That festival agreed originally with the time of the Jewish Passover, when Christ was crucified.... That festival was not idolatrous, and was preceded by no Lent." Hislop "The Two Babylons"

 

[visionary]

"The forty days' abstinence of the Lent was directly borrowed from the worshippers of the Babylonian goddess. Such a Lent of forty days, 'in the spring of the year,' is still observed by the Yezidis or pagan Devil worshippers of Koordistan, who have inherited it from their early masters, the Babylonians.

 

[visionary]

God Almighty commanded His people to observe the PASSOVER FOREVER! (Exo 12:24

 

[visionary]

One of the reasons God drove the Jews into Babylonian captivity was this very idolatry; their whole families joined in this idolatrous worship, in making and offering HOT CROSS BUNS!

Read the entire 7th chapter of Jeremiah. "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, TO MAKE CAKES TO THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN... that they may provoke me to anger.... Therefore thus saith the Eternal God: Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, upon beast... and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched." (Verse 18-20)

 

[visionary]

Here is the quick, brief history of it, from the Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edition, article on "EASTER:" "There is no indication of the observance of the Easter festival in the New Testament, or in the writings of the Apostolic Fathers.... The first Christians" (the original True Church) "continued to observe the Jewish" (that is GOD'S ) "festivals, though in a new spirit, as commemorations of events which those festivals had foreshadowed. Thus the Passover, with a new conception added to it, of Christ as the true Paschal Lamb and the first fruits from the dead, continued to be observed.

"Although the observance of Easter was at a very early period the practice of the Christian Church, a serious difference as to the day for its observance soon arose between the Christians of Jewish and those of Gentile descent, which led to a long and bitter controversy. With the Jewish Christians... the fast ended... on the 14th day of the week. The Gentile Christians on the other hand" (that is, the beginning of the Catholic church, now substituting pagan for true Christian doctrines) "...identified the first day of the week with the resurrection, and kept the preceding Friday as the commemoration of the crucifixion, irrespective of the day of the month."

"Generally speaking, the Western Churches" (Catholic) "kept Easter on the 1st day of the week, while the Eastern Churches" (containing most of those who remained as part of the TRUE Church ) "followed the Jewish rule." (That is, observing Passover on the 14th of the first sacred month instead of the pagan Easter.)

 

[Ivy]

...on Easter?

A Messianic Jew or Gentile (not sure which) related to me that Messianics have a charge to "tear down" pagan holidays like Easter.

Is this common in Messianic circles?

Yes, it is common, I'm afraid. And I'd bet money that it was a Gentile, because most of the Jewish people I know are civil and don't mind other people's religious business in the first place.

Some people try to build something by attempting to negate others, but it simply will not work.

 

[GuardianShua]

...on Easter?

A Messianic Jew or Gentile (not sure which) related to me that Messianics have a charge to "tear down" pagan holidays like Easter.

Is this common in Messianic circles?

I wonder who that could be?

 

[ChavaK]

Yes that is the EXACT quote!

So you are a CARMite as well, eh?

God Bless you!

As little as possible.
I cannot tolerate the hatred there,
especially as it is expressed towards
Judaism.

I much prefer this forum, where people
and discussions are nice!

 

[ozell]

...on Easter?

A Messianic Jew or Gentile (not sure which) related to me that Messianics have a charge to "tear down" pagan holidays like Easter.

Is this common in Messianic circles?

I look it as revealing the truth

Easter is sin. So why convince or teach someone to continue therein.

Jn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

The Messiah is about truth

Ps 31:5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Lk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

truth is freedom from lies, deceit, dishonour.

Jn8v31: Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

this is a step of Love toward your fellow brother or sister, revealing the truth

1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.