Why take such a stand against homosexuality?

[b&wpac4]

because i want my government to as closely resemble heaven and Scripture's teachings as possible. Allowing gay marriage would be huge steps backwards from that vision.

So, you should be on here saying that freedom of religion is a bad thing, and that freedom of speech is bad because it could lead to not promoting Christianity. It is a very dangerous political philosophy you have there, as your interpretation of scripture is completely different than, say, a Catholic's. Perhaps they think it would be best to submit to the authority of the Pope and you would, then, be on the outside of that arrangement.

 

[psalm1:3]

How do you know this?

God knew this

 

[BigBadWlf]

i don't march on the streets for anything. i believe those that will come to Christ, will come to Christ. I speak out against sin because I believe that's what Jesus did. He loved the sinners but always spoke out against their sin. Whether it was the prostitutes he ate with or the Pharisees he talked with. Sin is sin.

Just as I and so many others here do when we speak out against hate and prejudice and discrimination, we speak out against sin

 

[andross77]

So, you should be on here saying that freedom of religion is a bad thing, and that freedom of speech is bad because it could lead to not promoting Christianity. It is a very dangerous political philosophy you have there, as your interpretation of scripture is completely different than, say, a Catholic's. Perhaps they think it would be best to submit to the authority of the Pope and you would, then, be on the outside of that arrangement.

your last statement does not scare me. was that the intention? i am opposed to anything that is contrary to God's teachings. This is why i am against homosexuality. I do not have the time, nor the energy, to write internet posts stating each and every human action/idea that i am against. If you do have that kind of time and energy, God bless you.

 

[andross77]

Just as I and so many others here do when we speak out against hate and prejudice and discrimination, we speak out against sin

i fully agree. I love all people as best as i can. but i hate sin.

Did you know Scripture tells us that God hates sin. So that means God is not just "lovey-dovey" all the time. He is love. But by definition, He must oppose and hate sin. So He hates lying, stealing and homosexuality. He loves liars, thieves and homosexuals. I try and act/think the same (even though i fail a lot. praise God for Jesus' atoning sacrifice!!!)

 

[b&wpac4]

your last statement does not scare me. was that the intention? i am opposed to anything that is contrary to God's teachings. This is why i am against homosexuality. I do not have the time, nor the energy, to write internet posts stating each and every human action/idea that i am against. If you do have that kind of time and energy, God bless you.

I am amazed that you decided to pick a sin to stand against that you probably almost have no chance of committing yourself. Why not pick one that you could happen to commit?

 

[BigBadWlf]

God knew this

Again you are embracing pre-destination. And in a round about way expressing the main tenant of the ‘problem on universality’ a logical proof against the existence of God (or at least the Christian God) The only logical proof that doesn’t’ have a logical response BTW

The crux of the issue is free-will as in self determination, a basic tenant of Christianity. Either we have free will or we don’t. there is no middle ground.

If there is pre-destination then God determines long before we are born who goes to heaven and who goes to hell making the entire exercise of life pointless, and it incidentally made the presence of Jesus pointless as well as no one is truly saved as one’s afterlife status has already been pre-determined.

If God knew that ALL those babies were going to grow up to be evil then one is left with the question of why did he make them evil or at the very least why did he create them just to send them to hell. To know the outcome of a situation (or in this case a person) and do nothing to change that outcome (which we have to say an all powerful God could have changed them) is to say God made them just the way they were. If you then fall back onto the “they chose to reject God, choose to be evil, chose X, Y and Z,” then you remove your concept of predestination and are left with some unpalatable motivations for God in this matter.
Either God made these babies evil, therefore he made souls specifically to go to hell, or God Killed the innocent

 

[BigBadWlf]

your last statement does not scare me. was that the intention? i am opposed to anything that is contrary to God's teachings.

The emancipation of slaves?
Racial equality?
Woman’s suffrage?
Freedom of religion?
Civil rights?

 

[CruciFixed]

we are all in the same boat. each of us are all tempted by both sides. God is calling us back, but on the other end, Satan is trying to scratch at scraps. Anyone who will turn to him. Don't you understand that you are in his control? Can you not tell the difference between when you feel upset and when you feel genuine happiness? Can a man be greater than God? Did you create the very ground you are standing on? Did you create the mountains, the oceans, the birds, the animals who roam earth? Can you create these things simply by your word? You are equal to us. So if you are equal, then musn't there be someone greater than us? Open your eyes. Look around your room for a moment (simply assuming that you are in some sort of room; unless you are typing along the road somewhere). But look around. Take a moment. Where did all this come from? I can hardly believe that 2 atoms collided together in space one time and created all that we see. Why can you not believe? What has made you to stumble?

I love my girl friends, and that love is called friendship, but if I touch them in a defiling way, that is wrong. Who am I to touch another member of my own sex that way and still call it ok? Should I then run out into the streets proclaiming that I touched a girl and I liked it?

I quoted two of your posts to say that I think you've done a good job remaining kind and collected demeanor throughout the whole thread and I just had to give you a for that

when Christians are asking for an approval for a lifestyle of sin, God-fearers should take a stand. When non-Christians want to live a lifestyle of sin, it can only be expected.

And Adross77, amen ! I am always a big fan of your replies.

 

[psalm1:3]

Again you are embracing pre-destination. And in a round about way expressing the main tenant of the ‘problem on universality’ a logical proof against the existence of God (or at least the Christian God) The only logical proof that doesn’t’ have a logical response BTW

The crux of the issue is free-will as in self determination, a basic tenant of Christianity. Either we have free will or we don’t. there is no middle ground.

If there is pre-destination then God determines long before we are born who goes to heaven and who goes to hell making the entire exercise of life pointless, and it incidentally made the presence of Jesus pointless as well as no one is truly saved as one’s afterlife status has already been pre-determined.

If God knew that ALL those babies were going to grow up to be evil then one is left with the question of why did he make them evil or at the very least why did he create them just to send them to hell. To know the outcome of a situation (or in this case a person) and do nothing to change that outcome (which we have to say an all powerful God could have changed them) is to say God made them just the way they were. If you then fall back onto the “they chose to reject God, choose to be evil, chose X, Y and Z,” then you remove your concept of predestination and are left with some unpalatable motivations for God in this matter.
Either God made these babies evil, therefore he made souls specifically to go to hell, or God Killed the innocent

God is the one who gave us free-will. He only intervenes to bring about his promises and for the greater good of humanity. How can you question him?

 

[b&wpac4]

Also why do liberals take such a huge stand against Christianity?

Why do conservatives think a movement to grant state-given rights to a group of individuals is an attack on Christianity?

 

[psalm1:3]

Also why do liberals take such a huge stand against Christianity?

Way to go Brikkz. LOVE this question. It's short. But in all, it perfectly explains why people who sin (anyone including homosexuals) need to feel accepted more than others, because deep inside they know they are doing wrong, and all they need is acceptance. But the only acceptance they need is from Jesus.

 

[andross77]

I am amazed that you decided to pick a sin to stand against that you probably almost have no chance of committing yourself. Why not pick one that you could happen to commit?

i could have sex with another man just as easily as Clay Aiken

it's a simple act that you have a choice to do or not do. not sure where you are going with this.

 

[BigBadWlf]

God is the one who gave us free-will. He only intervenes to bring about his promises and for the greater good of humanity. How can you question him?

I’m questioning you.

You seem to want your cake and eat it too. You want the above mentioned babies to be pre-destined. Yet you want free will for yourself. You can’t have both

 

[andross77]

The emancipation of slaves?
Racial equality?
Woman’s suffrage?
Freedom of religion?
Civil rights?

you need to type out your posts. i have no idea what you are asking here.

 

[b&wpac4]

i could have sex with another man just as easily as Clay Aiken

it's a simple act that you have a choice to do or not do. not sure where you are going with this.

I couldn't have sex with a man. I mean, yes, technically the mechanics are there to do so, but it isn't something I'd want to do. That commandment from God may as well be "Do not eat Nuclear waste" as I have no interest in that either.

If you are truly bisexual, then perhaps I see your point. If you have to consciously make that choice, I will concede. But my guess is that you are not.

 

[andross77]

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i am more for equality than anyone i know. i think that everyone is EQUALLY sinful in God's eyes and that the only way into heaven is by trusting in Jesus as Savior. i don't believe you get into heaven by not having sex with the same sex

i believe everyone is equally in need of salvation. How is that against equality?

 

[BigBadWlf]

you need to type out your posts. i have no idea what you are asking here.

The post is clear you claimed that you are “opposed to anything that is contrary to God's teachings”

The emancipation of slaves, racial equality, woman’s suffrage, freedom of religion, and civil rights are all contrary ot God’s teaching. Are you opposed to them?

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I am amazed that you decided to pick a sin to stand against that you probably almost have no chance of committing yourself. Why not pick one that you could happen to commit?

It's too easy to claim that Christians speak out against homosexuality because it's not something we will ever be tempted by. For many of us, that's not the case. I'm a bisexual woman, and God freed me from the temptation. My love for Him is far, far greater than my desire to sin.

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The post is clear you claimed that you are &#8220;opposed to anything that is contrary to God's teachings&#8221;

The emancipation of slaves, racial equality, woman&#8217;s suffrage, freedom of religion, and civil rights are all contrary ot God&#8217;s teaching. Are you opposed to them?

Do you dislike God? I ask because you say He teaches ugly, hateful, man-made things. He teaches none of them. He teaches love, and integrity, and truth and warmth - what's more, He gives love and integrity and truth and warmth. You're arguing politics, not faith. It's a common thing in America - people seem to feel the two appear to be almost inextricably linked. But they aren't. One is God's, the other Caesar's.

 

[BigBadWlf]

oh, this is what you meant? you are wrong on all accounts.

No. Such things were (and are) opposed by Christians who happily used the word of God to support their views.
Just as many today happily used the word of God to support their anti-gay prejudice.

You don't know God's Word to make such statements. So i have no need to respond because your question is nonsensical and without foundation.

Translation: I can’t actually respond