WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - A REBUTTAL

[Paul James]

I honor the maxim:

"If I feel certain that action-A is evil, and B is good, I should opt for B".

I feel ZERO degree of certainty about their so-called revelations.

Oddly, you seem to be a mind reader. You can claim to know what these men do, or do not, feel certain about.

All I have done is to watch Youtube videos of what they are actually saying according to the revelation that they have received, and their manner shows total certainty. Creflo Dollar said clearly to his listeners in a conference, "I ain't no false prophet!" I saw Kenneth Copeland get right in the face of a person who questioned him about his "revelations" and he spoke very harshly at the person. Benny Hinn was seen to say to a whole stadium of people, "I am the Lord's anointed, and God will destroy anyone who says I am a false teacher!"

So I don't have to read their minds. All I have to do is view what they say publicly for all to see and hear.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So Moses had nothing to stand on? Too bad, guess I have to throw out the Pentateuch, then. Moses had nothing to stand on when he wrote it, so I certainly can't put my trust in a man-made artifact.

Moses spoke directly with God and recorded the Words of God that we have today in the old testament which is the written Word of God your trying to teach against. Why do you not believe them?

 

[JAL]

Really? Before the written word was the spoken word of God as shown in GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc). This is why it is written of ABRAHAM in GENESIS 26:6 Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. This was shared with you already. I suggest you read HEBREWS 11 that show God's people have always been saved in exactly the same way and that is by faith and we already know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God ROMANS 10:17. Sorry dear friend seems like God's Word disagrees with you.

Then stop pretending that the written Word is the only way of salvation. You're a moving target. Every time I back you into a corner, you start acknowledging Direct Revelation again. A moment later, you'll go back to claiming that the written Word is the ONLY POSSIBLE form of divine-human communication.

 

[Paul James]

No written Word? No one was saved before the written Word? That's too bad, because there was no printing press for 90% of human history.

But there was handwriting right from the time of the Sumerians, which pre-dated the Egyptians.

 

[JAL]

All I have done is to watch Youtube videos of what they are actually saying according to the revelation that they have received, and their manner shows total certainty. Creflo Dollar said clearly to his listeners in a conference, "I ain't no false prophet!" I saw Kenneth Copeland get right in the face of a person who questioned him about his "revelations" and he spoke very harshly at the person. Benny Hinn was seen to say to a whole stadium of people, "I am the Lord's anointed, and God will destroy anyone who says I am a false teacher!"

So I don't have to read their minds. All I have to do is view what they say publicly for all to see and hear.

And then deduce what's in their mind. That's what you did. That's called mind-reading.

 

[JAL]

But there was handwriting right from the time of the Sumerians, which pre-dated the Egyptians.

Oh maybe we have the wrong Bible, then. How can you be sure?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Then stop pretending that the written Word is the only way of salvation. You're a moving target. Every time I back you into a corner, you start acknowledging Direct Revelation again. A moment later, you'll go back to claiming that the written Word is the ONLY POSSIBLE form of divine-human communication.

The written Word of God is the only way to salvation and our only guide to eternal life. That is what the scriptures teach. There is no other name under heaven where we can be saved. JESUS is the Word of God and this is where His Word leads us. If we deny God's Word we deny our salvation.

 

[Paul James]

What do you stand on to draw the conclusion that Scripture is inspired?

2 Timothy 3:16-17.

 

[JAL]

The written Word of God is the only way to salvation and our only guide to eternal life. That is what the scriptures teach.

There you go contradicting what you said earlier about the spoken Word being quite adequate for salvation (John 10:27).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There you go contradicting what you said earlier about the spoken Word being quite adequate for salvation (John 10:27).

There is no contradiction dear friend your not reading what is being shared with you. JOHN 10:27 does not support what your saying here it supports what I am sharing with you. Gods Sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear His Voice (the Word) do not follow because they are not His Sheep *JOHN 10:26

 

[Paul James]

Oh maybe we have the wrong Bible, then. How can you be sure?

Jesus quoted from both the Hebrew Torah and the Greek Septuagint, so did Paul, and the Bereans searched the Septuagint plus the Torah as well to verify what Paul was preaching was correct. So if Jesus, Paul and the Bereans used those Scriptures they must have accepted that they were using the correct Bible.

 

[JAL]

Moses spoke directly with God and recorded the Words of God that we have today in the old testament which is the written Word of God your trying to teach against. Why do you not believe them?

Actually you and I have no direct access to the written Word - only man-tainted versions and your own fallible intepretations.

Where do you learn Hebrew and Greek? From a man-made lexicon. Really? This is the best God could do? He left us with man-tainted material?

And you do realize how exegesis works, right? Exegesis consists of proofs (trying to prove what Scripture does, or does not say). All proofs are based on assumptions that in turn need to be proven. This leads to an infinite regress of unproven assumptions. The only way to break out of the infinite loop is to simply STIPULATE some man-made assumptions. Again, this dooms us to a man-tainted process.

To summarize, you have no direct access to the written Word, only to man-tainted versions of it. That's why you need Direct Revelation.

 

[JAL]

There is no contradiction dear friend your not reading what is being shared with you. JOHN 10:27 does not support what your saying here it supports what I am sharing with you. Gods Sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear His Voice (the Word) do not follow because they are not His Sheep *JOHN 10:26

God had no voice before the written Word? That's odd, because He spoke to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, etc.

 

[Paul James]

And then deduce what's in their mind. That's what you did. That's called mind-reading.

Oh, come on! They spoke clearly what was on their mind! That's not mind reading!!

 

[JAL]

Jesus quoted from both the Hebrew Torah and the Greek Septuagint, so did Paul, and the Bereans searched the Septuagint plus the Torah as well to verify what Paul was preaching was correct. So if Jesus, Paul and the Bereans used those Scriptures they must have accepted that they were using the correct Bible.

Why do you believe that Scripture is inspired?

 

[JAL]

Oh, come on! They spoke clearly what was on their mind! That's not mind reading!!

You said that their mind was in a state of absolute certainty with no doubt. Personally I don't see any need for the white-throne judgment because it seems to me you already read minds well enough to judge the world. At least you seem to think so.

 

[JAL]

2 Timothy 3:16-17.

Ok so just because Scripture SAYS that it is inspired you believe it? Therefore you will believe any book that claims to be inspired, including the Koran.

 

[Paul James]

Actually you and I have no direct access to the written Word - only man-tainted versions and your own fallible intepretations.

Where do you learn Hebrew and Greek? From a man-made lexicon. Really? This is the best God could do? He left us with man-tainted material?

And you do realize how exegesis works, right? Exegesis consists of proofs (trying to prove what Scripture does, or does not say). All proofs are based on assumptions that in turn need to be proven. This leads to an infinite regress of unproven assumptions. The only way to break out of the infinite loop is to simply STIPULATE some man-made assumptions. Again, this dooms us to a man-tainted process.

To summarize, you have no direct access to the written Word, only to man-tainted versions of it. That's why you need Direct Revelation.

We have the same Septuagint that Jesus quoted from, and I really don't think that Jesus would have quoted from a tainted version of the Scriptures. Also, the Jews have maintained the Torah faithfully in their synagogues right up to this present day. So your "man tainted Scripture" comment does not carry much weight.

 

[JAL]

We have the same Septuagint that Jesus quoted from, and I really don't think that Jesus would have quoted from a tainted version of the Scriptures. Also, the Jews have maintained the Torah faithfully in their synagogues right up to this present day. So your "man tainted Scripture" comment does not carry much weight.

I didn't insinuate that Scripture itself is tainted. I insinuated that exegesis gives you access only to man-tainted versions of it, and I gave you clear explanations what I meant by that, which you cannot refute.


Um...and yes it does carry weight. Jesus was a PROPHET and thus understood scripture by DIRECT REVELATION and thus without the man-made taint. That's my whole point, isn't it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

God had no voice before the written Word? That's odd, because He spoke to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, etc.

What do you think my earlier posts to you said when I stated in post # 99 and elsewhere and the OP that before the written word was the spoken word of God as shown in GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc). This is why it is written of ABRAHAM in GENESIS 26:6 Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. This was shared with you already. I suggest you read HEBREWS 11 that show God's people have always been saved in exactly the same way and that is by faith whether by the Spoken word which was before the written Word of by the written Word. Today we have the written Word of God to test devine revelation. We already know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God ROMANS 10:17. Why do you not believe the scriptures?

Sorry dear friend seems like God's Word disagrees with you.