Why Sola Scriptura isn't God's plan

[Ortho_Cat]

One of the criteria for God's Church is that it is apostolic per the nicene creed, do you agree?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

One of the criteria for God's Church is that it is apostolic per the nicene creed, do you agree?

I myself do

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and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)

Matthew 24:27 for even as the lightning/star-flashes comes out from east and is appearing till of west,
thus shall be the parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man

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Parousia <3952> Mentioned 15 times:
Matt 24:27, 37, 39; 1 Corin 15:23, 16:17; 2 Corin 7:6,7, 10:10; Phil 2:12; 1 Thess 2:19, 3:13, 5:23; 2 Thess 2:9; James 5:8, 1 John 2:28

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3952 matches the Greek &#960;&#945;&#961;&#959;&#965;&#963;&#8055;&#945; (parousia), which occurs 24 times in 24 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

 

[sheina]

I agree. It refutes what Studious One is doing.

He's rejecting ALL tradition based on some traditions he thinks are in error.

The problem with sola scriptura is that it provides so many divisions and errors. And it's not based on scripture.

I reject all man-made traditions also....the ones you speak of are man-made traditions, not found in Scriptures. Studious One is correct. There is no problem with Sola Scriptura, the problem lies with the one who rejects it.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

I reject all man-made traditions also....the ones you speak of are man-made traditions, not found in Scriptures. Studious One is correct. There is no problem with Sola Scriptura, the problem lies with the one who rejects it.

Which traditions do you think he is he referring to, and show to us why you think they are man-made.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

I reject all man-made traditions also....the ones you speak of are man-made traditions, not found in Scriptures. Studious One is correct. There is no problem with Sola Scriptura, the problem lies with the one who rejects it.

QFT. Well said.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

I reject all man-made traditions also....the ones you speak of are man-made traditions, not found in Scriptures. Studious One is correct. There is no problem with Sola Scriptura, the problem lies with the one who rejects it.

Other than the teaching itself not being found in scripture?

 

[Dorothea]

I reject all man-made traditions also....the ones you speak of are man-made traditions, not found in Scriptures. Studious One is correct. There is no problem with Sola Scriptura, the problem lies with the one who rejects it.

Then you'd have to reject your own tradition.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by sheina I reject all man-made traditions also....the ones you speak of are man-made traditions, not found in Scriptures. Studious One is correct. There is no problem with Sola Scriptura, the problem lies with the one who rejects it.

Then you'd have to reject your own tradition.

That makes sense to me

 

[sheina]

That makes sense to me

Which man-made traditions make sense? We are not speaking of my own traditions, but the man-made traditions which the EOs and RCs claim hold the same authority (and sometimes more authority) as the inspired Scriptures.

We are talking about Sola Scriptura, which is NOT a man-made tradition, not my traditions. The Scriptures are my sole and final authority for faith and Christian living. If you have a problem with that, take the matter up with God.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

Which man-made traditions make sense? We are not speaking of my own traditions, but the man-made traditions which the EOs and RCs claim hold the same authority (and sometimes more authority) as the inspired Scriptures.

We are talking about Sola Scriptura, which is NOT a man-made tradition, not my traditions. The Scriptures are my sole and final authority for faith and Christian living. If you have a problem with that, take the matter up with God.

Amen sheina! I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Which man-made traditions make sense? We are not speaking of my own traditions, but the man-made traditions which the EOs and RCs claim hold the same authority (and sometimes more authority) as the inspired Scriptures.

We are talking about Sola Scriptura, which is NOT a man-made tradition, not my traditions.
The Scriptures are my sole and final authority for faith and Christian living.

If you have a problem with that, take the matter up with God.

I always do

Kindgdom Bible Studies Lambs Book of Life Part 1

*SNIP*

.......... Now, what is meant by this term – THE BOOK OF THE LIFE OF THE LAMB?
The wise man said, "...of the making of many books there is no end..." (Eccl. 12:12).

The book stores are filled to overflowing today with all types of books dealing with every aspect of earthly life. Even in the church world there are books setting forth every kind of viewpoint relating to God, the Bible, doctrine, Christian experience, and church order.

However the subject material of most of these books largely contains a message of religious tradition and spiritual death.

 

[StThomasMore]

Let's look at the qualifications to which you allude. Here's Irenaeus (Tertullian makes similar observations, as do many others):

Written scripture:
1. When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For [they allege] that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents, but vivâ voce: wherefore also Paul declared, &#8220;But we speak wisdom among those that are perfect, but not the wisdom of this world.&#8221;33113311 1 Cor. ii. 6.

Tradition, but note very carefully what is required:
2. But, again, when we refer them to that tradition which originates from the apostles, [and] which is preserved by means of the succession of presbyters in the Churches, they object to tradition, saying that they themselves are wiser not merely than the presbyters, but even than the apostles, because they have discovered the unadulterated truth.

It is not as you say simply a matter of calling oneself an apostolic bishop as some are in the habit of doing. The only thing that matters is that tradition originate from the apostles. Then, and only then, may it be preserved by means of succession. IOW, it is up to the person declaring a 1950 dogma about the assumption of Mary to prove that the tradition originated from apostles. Can you provide that? If not, the Church rejects it.

as I told you earlier, Mary's assumption was common in the early church as a part of the deposit of the faith. It just wasn't fully defined until later on

[T]he Apostles took up her body on a bier and placed it in a tomb; and they guarded it, expecting the Lord to come. And behold, again the Lord stood by them; and the holy body having been received, He commanded that it be taken in a cloud into paradise: where now, rejoined to the soul, [Mary] rejoices with the Lord's chosen ones. . . (Eight Books of Miracles 1:4 [A.D. 575]).

If therefore it might come to pass by the power of your grace, it has appeared right to us your servants that, as you, having overcome death, do reign in glory, so you should raise up the body of your Mother and take her with you, rejoicing, into heaven. Then said the Savior [Jesus]: "Be it done according to your will" (The Passing of the Virgin 16:2-17 [A.D. 300]).

Therefore the Virgin is immortal to this day, seeing that he who had dwelt in her transported her to the regions of her assumption (Homily on Simeon and Anna [A.D. 400]).

The Lord said to his Mother, "Let your heart rejoice and be glad. For every favor and every gift has been given to you from my Father in heaven and from me and from the Holy Spirit. Every soul that calls upon your name shall not be ashamed, but shall find mercy and comfort and support and confidence, both in the world that now is and in that which is to come, in the presence of my Father in the heavens". . . And from that time forth all knew that the spotless and precious body had been transferred to paradise (The Dormition of Mary [A.D. 400]).

As the most glorious Mother of Christ, our Savior and God and the giver of life and immortality, has been endowed with life by him, she has received an eternal incorruptibility of the body together with him who has raised her up from the tomb and has taken her up to himself in a way known only to him (Encomium in dormitionnem Sanctissimae Dominae nostrae Deiparae semperque Virginis Mariae [ante A.D. 634]).

 

[sheina]

I always do

Kindgdom Bible Studies Lambs Book of Life Part 1

*SNIP*

.......... Now, what is meant by this term – THE BOOK OF THE LIFE OF THE LAMB?
The wise man said, "...of the making of many books there is no end..." (Eccl. 12:12).

The book stores are filled to overflowing today with all types of books dealing with every aspect of earthly life. Even in the church world there are books setting forth every kind of viewpoint relating to God, the Bible, doctrine, Christian experience, and church order.

However the subject material of most of these books largely contains a message of religious tradition and spiritual death.

LLOJ,

Are you a follower of J. Preston Eby?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LLOJ,
Are you a follower of J. Preston Eby?

Ummm nope.
However, his commentary on Melchizedek was one of the most extensive I have seen and how I was led to his site

Hebrews 7:1 For this the Malkiy-Tsedeq King of Salem, Priest of the God/'El of the most-high, the together-joining Abraham turning-back from the smiting of the kings and blesses/euloghsaV <2127> (5660) him
[Genesis 14:18]

Kindgdom Bible Studies Royal Priesthood Part 24
The Royal Priesthood

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."

This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about. The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION,

 

[ivebeenshown]

The Scriptures are my sole and final authority for faith and Christian living.

What this really means is that your private interpretation of the scriptures is the sole and final authority for your faith.

 

[sunlover1]

So that Jesus Christ is God had nothing to do with it ?

Satan said "it is written" and quoted Scripture; if Scripture is what defeats, why didn't Satan "win" with Scripture ?

Not sure if anyone has given you a reply or not and I only stopped by
a second to see which team was ahead (Joke.. not funny too)

No, that Jesus Christ was God had nothing to do with it whatsoever.


Be blessed.

 

[sheina]

Ummm nope.
However, his commentary on Melchizedek was one of the most extensive I have seen and how I was led to his site

Hebrews 7:1 For this the Malkiy-Tsedeq King of Salem, Priest of the God/'El of the most-high, the together-joining Abraham turning-back from the smiting of the kings and blesses/euloghsaV <2127> (5660) him
[Genesis 14:18]

Kindgdom Bible Studies Royal Priesthood Part 24
The Royal Priesthood

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."

This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about. The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION,

LLOJ,

I cannot send you a PM because your inbox has exceeded its limit. I can't post in the Visitor Message in your profile page because you don't have a Visitor Message tab. Therefore, I will post my reply to your Visitor message here because I see no other alternative.

Is there something you have against Preston Eby in particular? Just curious. Thanks

http://www.christianforums.com/t7541281/#post57018119

So you are admitting you are a follower of J. Preston Eby?

I do not agree with J. Preston Eby's teachings. The Bible doesn't teach Universalism and J. Preston Eby's teachings are just pure speculation and theory with no biblical support

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

your private interpretation of the scriptures

1. the issue here is Sola Scriptura - the practice of using Scripture as the rule in the evaluation of the various disputed doctrines among us. Sola Scriptura is not a hermeneutical principle. It has nothing to do with interpretation, it has to do with norming (the process of evaluating correctness, truthfulness, validity).

2. I agree that it's absurd, egotistical and dangerous for self to designate self as the sole, authoritative, unaccountable interpreter of Scripture. Read The Catholic Catechism #85 (with 87) to see what The Catholic Church does in this regard. Then read every other Catechism on the planet and see if any other does that. It will reveal something important to you - as you regard that as so wrong.


Back to the subject of Sola Scriptura....





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[sheina]

What this really means is that your private interpretation of the scriptures is the sole and final authority for your faith.

That statement is based upon your own incorrect presumptive opinion, which is your own "private interpretation".

 

[Thekla]

Not sure if anyone has given you a reply or not and I only stopped by
a second to see which team was ahead (Joke.. not funny too)

No, that Jesus Christ was God had nothing to do with it whatsoever.


Be blessed.

To the extent that Christ is the Godman, and it is God in us -not us- that defeats Satan, I disagree with you.