Why Sola Scriptura isn't God's plan

[LittleLambofJesus]

Just as your denomination's private interpretation would be for yours?

Nah. Your denomination has no authority except for itself. Is called solo ecclessia. I don't have to pretend anything since I am not the one making the wild, unsupported claims that my church wrote the bible.

How dare thou callest them a "denomination"!

http://www.christianforums.com/t6948799/
Roman Catholic and Orthodox denominations?

quote OP: Hi. I would like know how many here view the RCC and the Orthodox church as denominations within Christianity.
If so, why, if not, why not. Thanks.

 

[Hentenza]

How dare thou callest them a "denomination"!

http://www.christianforums.com/t6948799/
Roman Catholic and Orthodox denominations?

quote OP: Hi. I would like know how many here view the RCC and the Orthodox church as denominations within Christianity.
If so, why, if not, why not. Thanks.

According to the Barrett study there are 781 EO denominations and 242 Catholic denominations.

The Facts and Stats on 33000 Denominations: World Christian Encyclopedia (2001, 2nd edition)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

According to the Barrett study there are 781 EO denominations and 242 Catholic denominations.

The Facts and Stats on 33000 Denominations: World Christian Encyclopedia (2001, 2nd edition)

I need to add that to the other thread then

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

My church gave us the bible

OK, I'm rather confused. The Catholic Church claims that it gave us the Bible, so which one is it?

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

According to the Barrett study there are 781 EO denominations and 242 Catholic denominations.

The Facts and Stats on 33000 Denominations: World Christian Encyclopedia (2001, 2nd edition)

That's interesting, isn't it?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Montalban My church gave us the bible

OK, I'm rather confused.
The Catholic Church claims that it gave us the Bible, so which one is it?

Imagine the confusion it shows to the Jews, Muslims and other non-Christians

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G181 matches the Greek ἀκαταστασία (akatastasia), which occurs 5 times in 5 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

1 Corinthians 14:33 for not is of tulmuts/akatastasiaV <181> the God, but of peace
as in all the Outcalleds of the Saints.

Luke 21:9 Whenever yet ye should be hearing battles and tumults/akatastasiaV <181> no may be being dismayed, for is binding these to be becoming
but not immediately the end

 

[Thekla]

That's interesting, isn't it?

At least per the EO info. he gives, it's ill informed
(Hope no-one tries to pass this off as "scholarship" )

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Nah. Your denomination has no authority except for itself. Is called solo ecclessia. I don't have to pretend anything since I am not the one making the wild, unsupported claims that my church wrote the bible.

Wild and unsupported? Do you agree that Christ established a historical church on pentecost? What do you think happened to that church?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

OK, I'm rather confused. The Catholic Church claims that it gave us the Bible, so which one is it?

Catholics and EO were part of the same body the first 1000 years Christianity.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Catholics and EO were part of the same body the first 1000 years Christianity.

So wat happened wit dat?

 

[ivebeenshown]

Catholics and EO were part of the same body the first 1000 years Christianity.

Hey, you're a Kansan.

Wild and unsupported? Do you agree that Christ established a historical church on pentecost? What do you think happened to that church?

I am curious to know as well. Whatever church was established in the first century by Christ has to have been alive and surviving until today.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

According to the Barrett study there are 781 EO denominations and 242 Catholic denominations.

The Facts and Stats on 33000 Denominations: World Christian Encyclopedia (2001, 2nd edition)

From the link:

So it is within these groups, mainly separated by country or nationality, you get 781 Orthodox "denominations"

For example, he lists greek orthodox and russian orthodox as different denominations. Of course the faith is the same (they are in communion with each other) yet they are separated only by country and nationality so he lists them differently.

 

[sheina]

OK, I'm rather confused. The Catholic Church claims that it gave us the Bible, so which one is it?

Neither...

How Did the Bible Come to Us?

(1) Inspiration-the divinely-guided writing of the original manuscripts (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21).

(2) Preservation-the providential keeping of the original text from loss and alteration (Psalm 12:6-7; 100:5; 119:152,160; Isaiah 40:8; 59:21; Matthew 5:18; 24:35; 1 Peter 1:25).

(3) Recognition-the acknowledgment by God's people of the original manuscripts as being divinely inspired.

(4) Collection-the gathering of the original manuscripts into a Canon called The Holy Scriptures.

No Church gave us the Bible...Rome did everything in its power to keep the Scriptures out of the hands of the common people and tried to prevent it from being translated into other languages besides Latin .... the translators of the Bible were burned at the stake (i. e. Tyndale, Coverdale, etc.).

 

[Ortho_Cat]

So wat happened wit dat?

East–West Schism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Neither...

How Did the Bible Come to Us?

(1) Inspiration-the divinely-guided writing of the original manuscripts (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21).

(2) Preservation-the providential keeping of the original text from loss and alteration (Psalm 12:6-7; 100:5; 119:152,160; Isaiah 40:8; 59:21; Matthew 5:18; 24:35; 1 Peter 1:25).

(3) Recognition-the acknowledgment by God's people of the original manuscripts as being divinely inspired.

(4) Collection-the gathering of the original manuscripts into a Canon called The Holy Scriptures.

No Church gave us the Bible...Rome did everything in its power to keep the Scriptures out of the hands of the common people and tried to prevent it from being translated into other languages besides Latin .... the translators of the Bible were burned at the stake (i. e. Tyndale, Coverdale, etc.).

Do you agree that Christ established a historical church? What do you think happened to this church?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Do you agree that Christ established a historical church? What do you think happened to this church?

1. Questions are not substantiation.

2. Did God establish the Garden of Eden? Therefore, were Adam and Eve infallible and unaccountable?

3. Those that reject the Rule of Scripture in norming tend to do so not because they reject Scripture or have an alternative that is MORE inerrant, MORE the inscripturated words of God, MORE reliable, MORE objectively knowable, MORE unalterable, MORE ecumenically embraced as authoriative. Rather the rejection tends to be because each rejects accountability (and thus norming and any norm in such) in the sole, singular, exclusive, particular, unique case of self alone. From The Handbook of the Catholic Faith (page 151), "When the Catholic is asked for the substantiation for his belief, the correct answer is: From the teaching authority. This authority consists of the bishops of The Catholic Church in connection with the Catholic Pope in Rome. The faithful are thus freed from the typically Protestant question of 'is it true' and instead rests in quiet confidence that whatever the Catholic Church teaches is the teaching of Jesus Himself since Jesus said, 'whoever hears you hears me'." The Catholic Church itself says in the Catechism of itself (#87): Mindful of Christ's words to his apostles: “He who hears you, hears me”, The faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their [Catholic] pastors give them in different forms." IF self declares that self is unaccountable and that self is exempt from the issue of truthfulness, then the entire issue of norming (and the embraced norma normans in such) becomes moot (for self). The issue has been changed from truth to power (claimed by self for self). The issue becomes the claims of self alone for self alone: "I claim that I'M special!!!!!! YOU are accountable but I claim that I'M special!!!!!!! I'M exempt from the issue of truthfulness, says I!!!!!!!"






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[ivebeenshown]

Preservation-the providential keeping of the original text from loss and alteration (Psalm 12:6-7; 100:5; 119:152,160; Isaiah 40:8; 59:21; Matthew 5:18; 24:35; 1 Peter 1:25).

1.) Psalm 12:7 refers to preserving the needy from the wicked, not preserving manuscripts from alteration (of course, you can pick and choose your translation of the bible to weasel around this.) Even if it were referring to God's words, it does not say 'scriptures'.
2.) Psalm 100:5 mentions nothing of scriptures either.
3.) Psalm 119:152 -- statutes may exist and last forever without being written down. This verse does not mention scriptures.
4.) Isaiah 40:8 -- the word of God endures forever. This is true, yet it does not state anything about scriptures.
5.) Isaiah 59:21 -- no mention of scriptures.
6.) Matthew 5:18 -- 'the Law' refers to the Torah and its commandments, not the bible as a whole.
7.) Matthew 24:35 -- no mention of scriptures.
8.) 1 Peter 1:25 -- again, no mention of scriptures.

Collection-the gathering of the original manuscripts into a Canon called The Holy Scriptures. No Church gave us the Bible...

Wow... so then who collected those manuscripts?

 

[sheina]

The Church which was founded on upon Christ, was neither the Roman Catholic church nor the Eastern Orthodox church.

The New Testament church was biblical. The Scriptures were the only and final authority in the early churches. Any teaching or practice which was merely the uninspired tradition of man was rejected. In addition, the New Testament church was spiritually alive-not merely an organization, but an organism. The churches were composed of regenerated, baptized believers.

There has alway been a remnant of born again believers from the first century church to this present day.....but Christendom (those who profess Christ and warm the pews on Sunday mornings) have become apostate and this apostasy is getting worse. Jesus said "the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church/Body", so therefore, nothing has happened to the Body of Christ/Church which He has built.

 

[ivebeenshown]

The Scriptures were the only and final authority in the early churches.

False; there were many years between Christ's establishment of his Church and the first Apostolic writings.

The Apostles and the bishops they appointed were the authorities in the Church during that time.

 

[sheina]

1.) Psalm 12:7 refers to preserving the needy from the wicked, not preserving manuscripts from alteration (of course, you can pick and choose your translation of the bible to weasel around this.) Even if it were referring to God's words, it does not say 'scriptures'.
2.) Psalm 100:5 mentions nothing of scriptures either.
3.) Psalm 119:152 -- statutes may exist and last forever without being written down. This verse does not mention scriptures.
4.) Isaiah 40:8 -- the word of God endures forever. This is true, yet it does not state anything about scriptures.
5.) Isaiah 59:21 -- no mention of scriptures.
6.) Matthew 5:18 -- 'the Law' refers to the Torah and its commandments, not the bible as a whole.
7.) Matthew 24:35 -- no mention of scriptures.
8.) 1 Peter 1:25 -- again, no mention of scriptures.

Wow... so then who collected those manuscripts?

You can continue to reject and deny that those verses have anything to do with Sola Scriptura...that is your choice. However, your rejection and denial doesn't change the Truth about any of those verses I posted.