Why so much conservative hostility towards undocumented immigrants?

[A_Thinker]

Let me just give you some perspective from the schools. First, I love children--all children. In the eyes of God, all children are made in His image. That is a totally separate issue than whether citizens are legal or not.

But in the schools, children who are enrolled but whose parents are not legal citizens are not just getting the same services other children get--they are usually getting more. Not always, but usually. Most of them come from Spanish speaking homes, IF you are talking about Spanish speaking illegal immigrants. So, that means English as a Second Language. On top of that, you're talking about extra services for all kinds of issues I'm not going into here. That costs $, $, $. Their parents are not putting into the system in the same way other parents and homeowners and taxpayers are. They are taking out and usually at a greater rate, but they are not putting in.

The question is not: do you love or care for these children?

The question is: has anyone asked American citizens whether we can and should support these families and at what level?

That's the foundation. If you came to me and asked, would I support any one of the children I have known? Yes. But please ask. Otherwise, it's an invasion, right? Or at least something compulsory over which I have no control. That's not right.

All of these same points could be made about the European invasion of the Americas.

The people you fret about keeping out, at the least, are related to the indigeneous peoples here ...

 

[A_Thinker]

You seem to think God is on your side. He's not.

I don't really believe that they think that God is on their side.

I think that they know better ...

 

[Liza B.]

All of these same points could be made about the European invasion of the Americas.

The people you fret about keeping out, at the least, are related to the indigeneous peoples here ...

Yeah, and everyone who says this seems to think it a new debate point or something. I understand this, and I understand that the entire history of humanity is one people taking over land from another. In this case, our gov't seems to be allowing it without our permission. Why should we be okay with it?

 

[A_Thinker]

Yeah, and everyone who says this seems to think it a new debate point or something. I understand this, and I understand that the entire history of humanity is one people taking over land from another.

Why would one think that this would be a NEW debate point? It's been true since the invasion of the Americas.

Given that, ... one would think that Christians would be seeking to have a more Godly attitude ...

Luke 10

25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”

27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

 

[Liza B.]

Why would one think that this would be a NEW debate point? It's been true since the invasion of the Americas.

Given that, ... one would think that Christians would be seeking to have a more Godly attitude ...

Luke 10

25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”

27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

So the Native Americans should have let the Europeans steal their land, because the Bible says "love your neighbor as yourself"?

 

[98cwitr]

I wish Europeans had come to the Americas legally/ethically, rather than through conquest, almost killing off the indigeneous population, ... and herding into reservations those that they didn't kill.

BTW, does the Las Vegas shooting really boil your blood too ???

There was no "law" that barred them from coming here, so that's not really a valid argument.

The Las Vegas shooting still leaves me baffled and perplexed. There's so much more to that tragedy that we'll never know. We need answers.

 

[A_Thinker]

So the Native Americans should have let the Europeans steal their land, because the Bible says "love your neighbor as yourself"?

The American Indians weren't christians ...

 

[A_Thinker]

There was no "law" that barred them from coming here, so that's not really a valid argument.

Nothing other than "Thou shall not steal", I guess ...

 

[Liza B.]

The American Indians weren't christians ...

If they were, should they have given up their land for the Europeans?

 

[A_Thinker]

A_Thinker said: The American Indians weren't christians ...

Liza B. said: If they were, should they have given up their land for the Europeans?

Actually, the Native Americans were more "christian" in their attitude of "sharing the land" ... than were their soon-to-be "christian" conquerers ...

What they didn't realize is that the "christian" Europeans had no intention of "sharing" ...

 

[SolomonVII]

First Nations have never given up their lands. They have chosen negotiations.
Neither have Mexicans for that matter. Spanish played according to the same world view as the English and the French in North America.
Neither have liberals either, I guess, but it sure makes them feel guilty to be living so well.

 

[MoonlessNight]

All of these same points could be made about the European invasion of the Americas.

It boggles me how often this argument is made in favor of increased immigration.

That is, it cedes the idea that immigration can be an invasion, while somehow expecting people to support a new invasion. If you wanted to support immigration, it would make more sense to claim that it can never be an invasion, not even in the case of European colonization.

But maybe the idea is that immigration can be an invasion, but we deserve to be invaded due to the sins of our fathers. I don't know.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Actually, the Native Americans were more "christian" in their attitude of "sharing the land" ... than were their soon-to-be "christian" conquerers ...

Native Americans for the most part didn't even share their land with each other. Tribes did regularly engage in warfare with each other, and some tribes were conquered or were relocated due to the loss of their original land.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Ok, then, you might want to be cautious about voting against immigrants though, considering that they can be the least of these:

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment..."


I think I'll be welcoming them!!

come here legally and I have no issue with you. Come here illegally and I do not care if you are from Mexico or on the other side of the world you butt needs to be deported.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Using drugs like meth or cocaine, shoplifting, and stealing cars are examples of illegal activities. Since when is desiring a better life, wanting to feed your family, and seeking to economic opportunities an “illegal activity” that you’re against? And by the way, if you’re indifferent to all the deportation horror stories—there are a lot of them on the Internet, look them up—that sounds like hostility to me.

We have laws and some of those laws relate to coming here for various reasons. Just because they are not committing a violent crime or having any direct victims such as someone from whom they actually stole does not mean that they did not commit an illegal act by merely coming here ( no matter their reason.) Say I shoplift food I may be hungry I may honestly not have any money to buy food. I may not use any violence to take the food, but that is still illegal and I could still face charges. Now, given facts like that the judge and/or DA may go light on me and either not charge me or sentence me to something like community service or probation rather than incarceration, but it is still illegal the fact that I was just trying to feed myself and/or my family and committed no violence does not make it legal or OK.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

"African" is not a meaningful grouping. As a term for "race," it is only used by racists who can't see beyond skin colour. And the Altaic languages of East Asia are in fact related to European languages.

I used African to refer to those languages found within sub-saharan Africa. You're playing with semantics. There you go with that "racist" term again. People who freely use the R word or refer to people who have a different opinion than their own with regard to race as an "R word", shows you to be under the influence of left wing thinking.

According to archaeology, the Native Americans arrived about 20,000 years ago. And no sane person believes that Europeans were there first.

The Earth is only around 6,000 years old, so spare me the 20,000 years old nonsense. Furthermore, there are estimates for the "native Americans" arrival that are as varied as snowflakes.

Only by twisting Scripture (and by leaving off the explanatory half of a sentence, as you did with Acts).

What scripture did I twist? Just because you're influenced by cultural Marxist thinking and don't wish the Bible to say what it says with regard to this issue doesn't mean that it isn't true.

My left wing thinking? I'm ultra-conservative, in fact. Just not racist.

Conservative? You keep telling yourself that.

You seem to think God is on your side. He's not.

I quoted the Bible, authored by God. It can't get any more blatant than that. Do you think that God is on your side, a person who cannot even come to grips with what the Bible actually says?

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Im going to leave these here, and hope you see the point. If not, I'll explain

Acts 2

42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

Philippians 2:2

2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.

2 Corinthians 13:11

11 Finally, brothers and sisters, rejoice! Strive for full restoration, encourage one another, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Christianity knows no color or race.

I never said that Christianity was bound by race, nor do I think such. I'm simply arguing that God intended for the races to be separate. God wants people to go out into the world (missionaries) and make disciples of all men within all tribes. This doesn't mean that he necessarily wants the nations he established being destroyed.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

I wish Europeans had come to the Americas legally/ethically, rather than through conquest, almost killing off the indigeneous population, ... and herding into reservations those that they didn't kill.

BTW, does the Las Vegas shooting really boil your blood too ???

Good grief, talk about historical revisionism. The Indians often died because they didn't have immunity from diseases, not because European settlers went on a mass killing spree. The reservations didn't come about until the 1800s, long after the first European settlements. No one is claiming that was right, but you need to stop being guilted into feeling so sorry for the Indians.

There was no country with immigration laws when Europeans came. Therefore, they were breaking no laws. Settling to avoid religious persecution is not coming to a land to kill. You are a product of left wing, ungodly, cultural Marxist, anti-white, historical revisionist propaganda, and that you can't see it is sad.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

come here legally and I have no issue with you. Come here illegally and I do not care if you are from Mexico or on the other side of the world you butt needs to be deported.

Even legal immigration of unassimilable groups destroys a country. I have issue with legal immigration from any non-European (descent) nation, as it is being used as a weapon to destroy the West.

 

[A_Thinker]

You are a product of left wing, ungodly, cultural Marxist, anti-white, historical revisionist propaganda, and that you can't see it is sad.

Your desperate use of ad hominum is noted ...