Why seek "God"?

[dlamberth]

If I'm not mistaken, it seems like you are stating that you find more peace and bliss by becoming more of a human being?

It's all One! The Human Soul IS peace and bliss. It's our attachment to monkey mind that messes things up. I have to go back to my basic spiritual question that I hold out in front of me: What's it mean to be a more human, Human Being? When I look at the peace and bliss that is our Human Soul, I come away knowing it's not our monkey mind that makes us a more human, Human Being. The "now", for myself is living in the peace and bliss of our Soul.

 

[dlamberth]

you are not talking about real muslims ..real muslims are not like that...if you tried to love Allah you would have met him..i am not asking you to do anything ..just try to love him then you will meet him

It wasn't until I met Allah with in the hearts of other Human Beings that I was able to Love Him. That's when He started to become alive and an actual reality for me. That's just me though.

 

[ananda]

It's all One! The Human Soul IS peace and bliss. It's our attachment to monkey mind that messes things up. I have to go back to my basic spiritual question that I hold out in front of me: What's it mean to be a more human, Human Being? When I look at the peace and bliss that is our Human Soul, I come away knowing it's not our monkey mind that makes us a more human, Human Being. The "now", for myself is living in the peace and bliss of our Soul.

It seems to me that you too are searching for peace and bliss ... by becoming "more human".

I seek and find peace and bliss ... by walking the Eightfold Path.

 

[dlamberth]

It seems to me that you too are searching for peace and bliss ... by becoming "more human".

I seek and find peace and bliss ... by walking the Eightfold Path.

Peace and bliss is only a part of what it means to be a more fully human, Human Being. I only brought that aspect up because you keep focusing on it. A directly related sub-question that I also ask myself is: What does it mean to be an awakened Human Being? The answer I get is a being that is way more than peace and bliss.

 

[TheOldWays]

Peace and bliss is only a part of what it means to be a more fully human, Human Being. I only brought that aspect up because you keep focusing on it. A directly related sub-question that I also ask myself is: What does it mean to be an awakened Human Being? The answer I get is a being that is way more than peace and bliss.

Sounds like a lot of work! I'm spiritually lazy so I don't think it's my cup of tea!

 

[ananda]

Peace and bliss is only a part of what it means to be a more fully human, Human Being. I only brought that aspect up because you keep focusing on it. A directly related sub-question that I also ask myself is: What does it mean to be an awakened Human Being? The answer I get is a being that is way more than peace and bliss.

I can probably understand it better, if our ever action can be explained in terms of other goals ... but I don't know of any other such fundamental goals.

 

[dlamberth]

Sounds like a lot of work! I'm spiritually lazy so I don't think it's my cup of tea!

No problem. Just like the rest of life around us, we each have our own place in the over all scheme of things.

 

[dlamberth]

I can probably understand it better, if our ever action can be explained in terms of other goals ... but I don't know of any other such fundamental goals.

Goals? Do you mean like peace and bliss as a goal? In my life pass I've done a lot of drugs that brought me to peace and bliss. Being a more human, Human Being means being way more than peace and bliss. There's awareness and consciousness in there as well.

 

[ananda]

Goals? Do you mean like peace and bliss as a goal? In my life pass I've done a lot of drugs that brought me to peace and bliss. Being a more human, Human Being means being way more than peace and bliss. There's awareness and consciousness in there as well.

Well, I mean being able to substitute other alleged goals for "dukkha" in these statements:

"I brush my teeth because not brushing them is dukkha".
"I eat because being hungry is dukkha".
"I stop eating because overeating is dukkha".
"I sleep because sleeplessness is dukkha".
"I wake because oversleeping is dukkha".
"I seek truth because falsehood is dukkha".
"I seek greater awareness because delusion is dukkha".
etc.

This tells me that dukkha is our fundamental motivator. I know of no other fundamental motivator.

 

[dlamberth]

Well, I mean being able to substitute other alleged goals for "dukkha" in these statements:

"I brush my teeth because not brushing them is dukkha".
"I eat because being hungry is dukkha".
"I stop eating because overeating is dukkha".
"I sleep because sleeplessness is dukkha".
"I wake because oversleeping is dukkha".
"I seek truth because falsehood is dukkha".
"I seek greater awareness because delusion is dukkha".
etc.

This tells me that dukkha is our fundamental motivator. I know of no other fundamental motivator.

Is that part of ourselves that goes on to experience the illusion of suffering our "true" self?
Would you say that the Human Soul is also dukkha?

How would one know dukkha with out knowing not-dukkha for a comparison. You provided that kind of comparison in each of your examples above?

There is a place dukkha can be escaped, but that's when we don't fight the nature of the universe. So wouldn't that make dukkha itself, dukkha?

 

[ananda]

Is that part of ourselves that goes on to experience the illusion of suffering our "true" self?
Would you say that the Human Soul is also dukkha?

How would one know dukkha with out knowing not-dukkha for a comparison. You provided that kind of comparison in each of your examples above?

There is a place dukkha can be escaped, but that's when we don't fight the nature of the universe. So wouldn't that make dukkha itself, dukkha?

I don't know of the nature of the human soul ... all I can say I definitively know is dukkha, and it's resolution.

"dukkha itself, dukkha" - I'm not sure what you meant by this?

 

[dlamberth]

I don't know of the nature of the human soul ...

Which is why being a Lover of God while asking the question of what is a more human, Human Being is a path that works for me. We are Human Beings, what's that mean?

"dukkha itself, dukkha" - I'm not sure what you meant by this?[/QUOTE]
What I'm asking is, isn't dukkha itself "dukkha"? Sorry if my question was garbled. I'm hoping this is clearer.

 

[ananda]

Which is why being a Lover of God while asking the question of what is a more human, Human Being is a path that works for me. We are Human Beings, what's that mean?

"dukkha itself, dukkha" - I'm not sure what you meant by this?

What I'm asking is, isn't dukkha itself "dukkha"? Sorry if my question was garbled. I'm hoping this is clearer.

Yes, suffering is suffering.

 

[toLiJC]

If it isn't good to suffer from diseases, why doesn't your deity resolve all of them immediately?

the true One is still in struggle with the "darkness" - He has to overcome the "darkness" completely and permanently, and not for Himself, but for humans and the souls in general - there are some things that you seem not to understand, for example it has been very typical of the system of human spirituality/religiosity to lay down and impose its own exaggerated terms of what God must be, as if God must create a rock so heavy that even He Himself cannot lift it, i am not trying to say that He is not omnipotent, however, omnipotent for what?! - can He afford to cause evil to humans/souls if He is really the true God?!, to put it another way, can He afford to be unrighteous/sinful/unholy/guilty if He is really the true God?!, and why must we entirely exclude the possibility that for some reason there may not be paradisaical life lasting for all the coming time's infinity for any soul?!, let's say the life of God also has a span/cycle, though He never dies completely, but His death is partial, and therefore He has periodically to start all over/from scratch, including with His struggle with the "darkness"...

however, it is written in Scripture that His struggle with the "darkness" cannot continue more than about 5-6 millennia as from the beginning of the little eternity:

Revelation 17:10 "there are seven kings(i.e. seven times): five are fallen(i.e. five millennia may pass as from the day of the Fall), and one is(i.e. and the end may come in the sixth millennium), and the other is not yet come(i.e. and the time for which evil may reign in the sixth millennium has not yet begun); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space(i.e. but its length will be short)."

How do you know (not simply believe or imagine) that you are practicing the true faith correctly, and not a Muslim, or a Hindu, or a Pagan?

how could for example St Paul be aware and confident of what he believes?!, as in:

Romans 14:14 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

there is something that is stronger than us, something innermost, something coming from and in the true One, it is hard to explain, but there is a "heart" and a mind that, albeit more or less inexplicable, is stronger than the world, of course in the good sense of the word, yet like the simple(st) equations such as 1+1=2, 2+2=4, etc. - only people that practice the faith right can witness to it the most among humans

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

wasn't worth the effort to reply. your mind is closed.

i faced many unfounded accusations/reproaches against me on the part of various worshipers, but there has been no one among them managing to prove they are right - i can even say i am "sick" of so many unfounded and vain accusations/reproaches

Blessings

 

[ananda]

the true One is still in struggle with the "darkness" - He has to overcome the "darkness" completely and permanently, and not for Himself, but for humans and the souls in general - there are some things that you seem not to understand, for example it has been very typical of the system of human spirituality/religiosity to lay down and impose its own exaggerated terms of what God must be, as if God must create a rock so heavy that even He Himself cannot lift it, i am not trying to say that He is not omnipotent, however, omnipotent for what?! - can He afford to cause evil to humans/souls if He is really the true God?!, to put it another way, can He afford to be unrighteous/sinful/unholy/guilty if He is really the true God?!, and why must we entirely exclude the possibility that for some reason there may not be paradisaical life lasting for all the coming time's infinity for any soul?!, let's say the life of God also has a span/cycle, though He never dies completely, but His death is partial, and therefore He has periodically to start all over/from scratch, including with His struggle with the "darkness"...

however, it is written in Scripture that His struggle with the "darkness" cannot continue more than about 5-6 millennia as from the beginning of the little eternity:

Revelation 17:10 "there are seven kings(i.e. seven times): five are fallen(i.e. five millennia may pass as from the day of the Fall), and one is(i.e. and the end may come in the sixth millennium), and the other is not yet come(i.e. and the time for which evil may reign in the sixth millennium has not yet begun); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space(i.e. but its length will be short)."

Here, it appears you are stating your own expectations for "God".

how could for example St Paul be aware and confident of what he believes?!, as in: Romans 14:14 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

I don't know, I never met Paul, nor experienced what he allegedly experienced.

there is something that is stronger than us, something innermost, something coming from and in the true One, it is hard to explain, but there is a "heart" and a mind that, albeit more or less inexplicable, is stronger than the world, of course in the good sense of the word, yet like the simple(st) equations such as 1+1=2, 2+2=4, etc. - only people that practice the faith right can witness to it the most among humans

Blessings

How does one "practice the faith right" to experience "the true One"?

 

[TheOldWays]

i faced many unfounded accusations/reproaches against me on the part of various worshipers, but there has been no one among them managing to prove they are right - i can even say i am "sick" of so many unfounded and vain accusations/reproaches

Blessings

alrighty

 

[toLiJC]

Here, it appears you are stating your own expectations for "God".

my hopes are entirely good - i don't hope for anything bad with any human or other (be)souled being or soul, and why?, because the One Who is really the true Lord God gives me such a hope

I don't know, I never met Paul, nor experienced what he allegedly experienced.

yes, unfortunately you have been a buddhist, not a worshiper of the true One - how could you in such circumstances experience what St Paul had experienced as a man practicing the faith right?!

How does one "practice the faith right" to experience "the true One"?

how do you know how to find a good job and remain there as long as possible?, had you been taught to cope with this before your first job interview?, how did you know how to behave and what to say when you were interviewed for your first job so that they might choose you?, and how had you known how to meet the requirements of your boss/employer so that you might not be fired or demoted, even if you had to learn many new things?, so is the situation in the (true) faith, in the beginning we (the followers/worshipers of the true One) usually don't know how, what, when, where, etc., but learn to practice the faith right starting form the beginning of the process, yet being very careful not to disappoint Him...

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

alrighty

you, the buddhists in this forum, seem to be screwballs - are all buddhists such, all the time?!

Blessings

 

[TheOldWays]

you, the buddhists in this forum, seem to be screwballs - are all buddhists such, all the time?!

Blessings

human condition I suppose

have a good day!