Why seek "God"?

[habibii zahra]

The gods are subject to the round of rebirth (samsara) in early Buddhism. Yes, gods are seen as possessing exceeding long lives, lasting into the aeons, but they are not eternal - although it is said that some (delusionally) believe that they are.

The Arahants, Pacceka-Buddhas, and Buddhas, who purportedly transcended samsara, are considered superior to the gods.

there is no god but one in the whole universe ..he is the only one who deserve to be worshipped call him ALLAH call him the father call him YHWH call him anything he has lots of names but he is just one the supreme being he is the worshiped and we are the worshiper

 

[ananda]

and isn't that bliss and peace some kind of good?!, isn't it somehow unobjectionable and acceptable to you?!,

That bliss and peace is considered a transcendent good, because it is not associated with struggle, action, or volition. Nibbana can only be reached after the abandonment of struggle, action, and volition.

Things which are good in the mundane sense are associated with struggles, action, and volition.

so this is how there is ultimately some kind of willingness in you, because if there was sorrow/depression and frustration/distress in you instead of bliss and peace, you wouldn't be fully contented and there would be some unwillingness in you - even the fact that you accept or don't reject that bliss and peace indicates that there is some kind of willingness in you, so dukkha is a fallacy, and it is certain that satan misleads worshipers believing in dukkha, because every misbelief is a scheme of satan, for here is how worshipers have missed realizing the perfect truth of/about overall salvation in the true Lord God by following such (sets of) religious beliefs as the so-called dukkha...

however, thank the true God, there is a repentance

Blessings

I don't personally know of Satan or the "true Lord God".

 

[ananda]

the supreme deity is not in need to worship
you worship the god of the universe because you need the salvation and the salvation cannot be attend but through believing in god the one..he is not in need to be worshipped we are in need to worship the lord of the world the god of the universe..
so whom do you worship god the one or many deities????

I do not find the need to worship. Also, I do not need a deity to save me, because I know of the Law of Kamma.

I do not know of the "lord of the world" or the "god of the universe".

 

[ananda]

there is no god but one in the whole universe ..he is the only one who deserve to be worshipped call him ALLAH call him the father call him YHWH call him anything he has lots of names but he is just one the supreme being he is the worshiped and we are the worshiper

I have never met Allah, YHWH, or "the supreme being".

 

[Khalliqa]

I do not find the need to worship. Also, I do not need a deity to save me, because I know of the Law of Kamma.

I do not know of the "lord of the world" or the "god of the universe".

What is the law of Kamma? Did you mean Karma? If so, what is that? I think I have an idea but I'd like to know your answer.

 

[ananda]

What is the law of Kamma? Did you mean Karma? If so, what is that? I think I have an idea but I'd like to know your answer.

The Law of Kamma is essentially the Law of Cause and Effect. Whatever causes I create, I must reap their effects. I have no knowledge that any alleged deity can circumvent that law. It is said that deities in early Buddhism are also themselves subject to the Law of Kamma.

Karma is the Sanskrit-language version of the Pali word "Kamma". Early Buddhists & Theravada Buddhists use the Pali language, because the oldest Buddhist texts are written in Pali.

 

[Khalliqa]

The Law of Kamma is essentially the Law of Cause and Effect. Whatever causes I create, I must reap their effects. I have no knowledge that any alleged deity can circumvent that law. It is said that deities in early Buddhism are also themselves subject to the Law of Kamma.

Karma is the Sanskrit-language version of the Pali word "Kamma". Early Buddhists & Theravada Buddhists use the Pali language, because the oldest Buddhist texts are written in Pali.

Thank you. I suppose I should start a separate thread about Buddhism, deities and kamma. I have a few more questions.

 

[ananda]

Thank you. I suppose I should start a separate thread about Buddhism, deities and kamma. I have a few more questions.

You're welcome & sounds good to me ... I look forward to your thread

 

[habibii zahra]

I have never met Allah, YHWH, or "the supreme being".

try to knock the door you will meet him...I suggest to read the noble Quran>>>
English Translation of The Noble Quran - NobleQuran.com

ALLAH is the god of the universe the only god who deserve to be worshipped...he is the most merciful the most kind the most generous the most patient..he is perfect in all way..he is actually the god of the universe ..
who is god in the Quran:
And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad

) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright
ALLAH is the most merciful the forgiving
if you have any question you may ask me

 

[ananda]

try to knock the door you will meet him...I suggest to read the noble Quran>>>
English Translation of The Noble Quran - NobleQuran.com

If I understand correctly, the Quran cannot actually be read except in the original Arabic. Translations are only considered interpretations of the Quran?http://www.noblequran.com/translation/

ALLAH is the god of the universe the only god who deserve to be worshipped...he is the most merciful the most kind the most generous the most patient..he is perfect in all way..he is actually the god of the universe ..
who is god in the Quran:
And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad

) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright
ALLAH is the most merciful the forgiving
if you have any question you may ask me

Have you met Allah yourself?

 

[Khalliqa]

try to knock the door you will meet him...I suggest to read the noble Quran>>>
English Translation of The Noble Quran - NobleQuran.com

ALLAH is the god of the universe the only god who deserve to be worshipped...he is the most merciful the most kind the most generous the most patient..he is perfect in all way..he is actually the god of the universe ..
who is god in the Quran:
And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad

) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright
ALLAH is the most merciful the forgiving
if you have any question you may ask me

I've knocked.. Made du'a regularly.. for over a decade.. Did not meet him.. I've met plenty of people who were abusive.. smokers.. pork eaters.. adulterers.. who are still Muslims.. and claim to know Allah.. I believe they are earnest.. He's quite an interesting god is he not?

 

[toLiJC]

That bliss and peace is considered a transcendent good, because it is not associated with struggle, action, or volition. Nibbana can only be reached after the abandonment of struggle, action, and volition.

Things which are good in the mundane sense are associated with struggles, action, and volition.

I don't personally know of Satan or the "true Lord God".

and this is what the problem of such worshipers consists in, what buddhists realize is actually some consciousness/realm of irresponsibility; ultimately, they prefer having bliss and peace for themselves by any means to working for overall/all-embracing salvation unto abundant and eternal life, but none of us, humans, is alone in this world, each of us has many neighbors/townsmen/cohabitants, and as one has a need for salvation, so has everybody else, and if the consciousness of being concerned about the neighbor/townsman/cohabitant is what makes us truly human(e), not irresponsibly hypocritical/cowardly, then is there such a consciousness in us (not only in principle but also in practice)?!, i don't accuse/condemn/doom anybody, but i also don't dare to lie against the truth, because there is an eternal circle of existence and positions of the souls (called eternal judgment in the biblical scriptures), which means that i cannot guarantee it is safe to be irresponsible toward our neighbor/townsman/cohabitant...

you yourself say you don't know of satan or the true Lord God, which indicates that you, as a spiritual traveler/doer, don't know exactly where you are going and what you are actually doing...

Blessings

 

[ananda]

and this is what the problem of such worshipers consists in, what buddhists realize is actually some consciousness/realm of irresponsibility; ultimately, they prefer having bliss and peace for themselves by any means to working for overall/all-embracing salvation unto abundant and eternal life, but none of us, humans, is alone in this world, each of us has many neighbors/townsmen/cohabitants, and as one has a need for salvation, so has everybody else, and if the consciousness of being concerned about the neighbor/townsman/cohabitant is what makes us truly human(e), not irresponsibly hypocritical/cowardly, then is there such a consciousness in us (not only in principle but also in practice)?!, i don't accuse/condemn/doom anybody, but i also don't dare to lie against the truth, because there is an eternal circle of existence and positions of the souls (called eternal judgment in the biblical scriptures), which means that i cannot guarantee it is safe to be irresponsible toward our neighbor/townsman/cohabitant...

By resolving our own dukkha, we decrease our impact upon others, thus removing much dukkha others. By also setting an example for others, we show them that they have the power to eliminate their own dukkha. That is empowering, and the greatest blessing.

you yourself say you don't know of satan or the true Lord God, which indicates that you, as a spiritual traveler/doer, don't know exactly where you are going and what you are actually doing...

Blessings

How do you know Satan or "the true Lord God"? Note that my question is regarding knowledge - not blind belief or faith.

I'm interested in the method you used to gain personal knowledge of those entities.

 

[TheOldWays]

you yourself say you don't know of satan or the true Lord God, which indicates that you, as a spiritual traveler/doer, don't know exactly where you are going and what you are actually doing...

lol. what nonsense.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Why do people seek "God"?

Buddhism explains our search in terms of dukkha (aka suffering, discontentment, displeasure, etc.). That is, because of dukkha, we seek out god(s), saviors, prophets, psychics, doctors, politicians, love, food, money, sex, sleep, entertainment, etc.

Why not address dukkha itself, as the Lord Buddha taught, instead of seeking to treat its symptoms? Dig out the roots (of dukkha), instead of endlessly snipping its offshoots.

We are essentially story tellers, to ourselves and others. We grow up with a story in our heads, we tell new story's to others and ourselves about who we are. Observance of life can move one to a place of solace, where the story just becomes our reality of now. The seeking of God is a removal of the now, and to look beyond to 'something else'. Being in the now is an absence of seeking, it denotes no place to look, only that whatever the interactive process of us in the universe is, it can be found in that place of being in the now fully. When people are not they seek somewhere else, they tell themselves a story.

 

[toLiJC]

By resolving our own dukkha, we decrease our impact upon others, thus removing much dukkha others. By also setting an example for others, we show them that they have the power to eliminate their own dukkha. That is empowering, and the greatest blessing.

who is worthier, a doctor/surgeon that saves many human lives, or a man that takes care only or principally of himself?!, at the very least God rewards people working for overall salvation more than people removing willingness and unwillingness from human mind(s), indeed, i cannot guarantee that people practicing indic religions do not thus bring defilement/corruption/destruction to the world/humankind, for example if all humans become irresponsible about and incapable of working for overall salvation in the true Lord God, then humankind will be at risk, or at least God will hardly be satisfied with their irresponsibility/incapability, even children have untimely died of diseases, in accidents and, last but not least, as a result of lack of salvation - Jesus had not allowed this for the time He lived in this world 2 millennia ago, but there are still many religious worshipers that spread heretical religious doctrines/beliefs to the whole world setting them up in the holy place, then each of them will suffer in the place of every victim/sufferer of their spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness in next/future eternities - why must all people be spiritually disfigured/maimed or turned into vain sectarians?!...

How do you know Satan or "the true Lord God"? Note that my question is regarding knowledge - not blind belief or faith.

I'm interested in the method you used to gain personal knowledge of those entities.

there is no method, there is right practice of faith, if a person properly practices the faith in the One Who is really the true Lord God, then they will understand the truth (in case they don't understand it), yes, what is unique in the true faith is that there is no method such as buddhism, vaishnavism, hinduism, sankirtan, yoga-mediation, etc., but there are sound principles that are even well-known such as don't consider (as) certain/proven what is not (fully) certain/proven (enough) to you, etc.

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

lol. what nonsense.

what is nonsensical?!

Blessings

 

[danny ski]

The Law of Kamma is essentially the Law of Cause and Effect. Whatever causes I create, I must reap their effects. I have no knowledge that any alleged deity can circumvent that law. It is said that deities in early Buddhism are also themselves subject to the Law of Kamma.

Karma is the Sanskrit-language version of the Pali word "Kamma". Early Buddhists & Theravada Buddhists use the Pali language, because the oldest Buddhist texts are written in Pali.

That's not bad. I'm a firm believer that almost all outcomes in our lives are an effect of our actions. Or lack of action.

 

[ananda]

We are essentially story tellers, to ourselves and others. We grow up with a story in our heads, we tell new story's to others and ourselves about who we are. Observance of life can move one to a place of solace, where the story just becomes our reality of now. The seeking of God is a removal of the now, and to look beyond to 'something else'. Being in the now is an absence of seeking, it denotes no place to look, only that whatever the interactive process of us in the universe is, it can be found in that place of being in the now fully. When people are not they seek somewhere else, they tell themselves a story.

Why look beyond the "now"?

 

[TheOldWays]

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