WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

[LoveGodsWord]

Faith works by love.
Love works by no faith.

According to the scriptures, love is not separate to God's law. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law which is why Jesus says on these two commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Paul agrees with Jesus in Romans 13:8-10 when he says that we show our love to our fellow man by keeping those laws in Gods' commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor (Exodus 20:12-17). James also agrees with Jesus and Paul in James 2:8-12 when he says if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them. While John also agrees in 1 John 5:2-3 that we need to be born of God to love and walk in His Spirit which is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. No one loves God therefore by breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says. Those are the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There is no obedience to Gods law, it is written in the heart, it does not and cannot then be obeyed...

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another


Obedience is faith, obedient to the faith, not to the law.


Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:


Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

No one can claim to know God by breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says. John calls those the children of the devil according to the scriptures.

1 John 3:6-10
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

1 John 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.'

Obedience is to the faith which is the Word of God (Romans 1:5; Romans 10:17).

Take Care

 

[Christian7777777]

LoveGodsword is good as saying we need to obey law to not transgress.

It is what Israel in Judaism, Messianists and SDA all do now.


Yet by doing circumcision, ( or not doing it in the case of SDA, even though it was part of the law) and maintaining commandments to abstain from what to eat, and also other commandment to follow, such as sabbath day worship, is the letter of the law that ( in the case of Israel) we see clearly, killed the Spirit ( which is faith) as then it is not the law of liberty ( then it is not the Spirit of faith)


Not only it is wrong to be in what is told to not be of faith, also it is taught about in all the Epistles how Israel resisted the Spirit by wishing to be justified by law.

Also as shared, the doctrine of devils at the end times does the same, to command to abstain from meats and that every creature of God is good and is sanctified.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsword is good as saying we need to obey law to not transgress.

It is what Israel in Judaism, Messianists and SDA all do now.


Yet by doing circumcision, ( or not doing it in the case of SDA, even though it was part of the law) and maintaining commandments to abstain from what to eat, and also other commandment to follow, such as sabbath day worship, is the letter of the law that ( in the case of Israel) we see clearly, killed the Spirit ( which is faith) as then it is not the law of liberty ( then it is not the Spirit of faith)


Not only it is wrong to be in what is told to not be of faith, also it is taught about in all the Epistles how Israel resisted the Spirit by wishing to be justified by law.

Also as shared, the doctrine of devils at the end times does the same, to command to abstain from meats and that every creature of God is good and is sanctified.

Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law). Those who practice lawlessness according to John are the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10 and 1 John 2:3-4. While those who are the children of God are obedient by faith (see 1 John 3:6-9; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14). We must be careful therefore to believe and follow what Gods' Word says.
Circumcision is a "shadow law" of a new heart by faith unlike Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172. According to James if we break anyone of them including Gods' 4th commandment we stand guilty before God of sin. This is why Paul says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God" 1 Corinthians 7:19 which are written on the heart to love which is God's new covenant promise in all those who are born again to believe and follow what Gods 'Word says (Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-36; Ezekiel 36:24-27; 1 John 3:6-9).

Take Care.

 

[Christian7777777]

According to the scriptures, love is not separate to God's law. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law which is why Jesus says on these two commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Paul agrees with Jesus in Romans 13:8-10 when he says that we show our love to our fellow man by keeping those laws in Gods' commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor (Exodus 20:12-17). James also agrees with Jesus and Paul in James 2:8-12 when he says if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them. While John also agrees in 1 John 5:2-3 that we need to be born of God to love and walk in His Spirit which is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. No one loves God therefore by breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says. Those are the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10.

Love had to be shed into hearts by belief in Christ rising, and law is denial of Christ rising, as law is Israel seeking God through righteousness of the law, ( which is not the grace of God in Christ death and rising..

Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[Christian7777777]

No one can claim to know God by breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says. John calls those the children of the devil according to the scriptures.



Obedience is to the faith which is the Word of God (Romans 1:5; Romans 10:17).

Take Care

Nobody follows what the word says in ordinances and in the letter.



Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

 

[Christian7777777]

Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law). .

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[Christian7777777]

LoveGodsword, you cannot uphold one sentence to support your doctrine of law observance, it is not in the faith of Christ, and show all you like, is answered immediately and simply too.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Nobody follows what the word says in ordinances and in the letter.



Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

No one is telling you to follow what the words says in words in ordinances.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Love had to be shed into hearts by belief in Christ rising, and law is denial of Christ rising, as law is Israel seeking God through righteousness of the law, ( which is not the grace of God in Christ death and rising..

Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

As posted a little earlier, according to the scriptures, love is not separate to God's law. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law which is why Jesus says on these two commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Paul agrees with Jesus in Romans 13:8-10 when he says that we show our love to our fellow man by keeping those laws in Gods' commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor (Exodus 20:12-17). James also agrees with Jesus and Paul in James 2:8-12 when he says if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them. While John also agrees in 1 John 5:2-3 that we need to be born of God to love and walk in His Spirit which is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. No one loves God therefore by breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says. Those are the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsword, you cannot uphold one sentence to support your doctrine of law observance, it is not in the faith of Christ, and show all you like, is answered immediately and simply too.

True because I do not have a doctrine of law observance do please do not pretend that I do. As posted to you earlier your bearing false witness. Especially after I told you exactly what I believe when I posted to you that what I believe saying according to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins. According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law therefore is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27.

If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Therefore says Jesus you shall know them (who is from God and who is not) by their fruit. *Matthew 7:16-20; John 15:1-6; 1 John 2:3-4. Anything else according to James in James 2:17-26 is the dead faith of devils.

Now what it is here that you are in disagreement with and if we are in agreement then what is your argument? - You have none because we are in agreement.

 

[Christian7777777]

As told to you, the law makes nothing perfect ( by seeking God through law)


Hope is what makes perfect, and in law there was neither faith nor hope, as hope in in believing God raised Christ from the dead..


Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

 

[Christian7777777]

As posted a little earlier, according to the scriptures, love is not separate to God's law. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law which is why Jesus says on these two commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Paul agrees with Jesus in Romans 13:8-10 when he says that we show our love to our fellow man by keeping those laws in Gods' commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor (Exodus 20:12-17). James also agrees with Jesus and Paul in James 2:8-12 when he says if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them. While John also agrees in 1 John 5:2-3 that we need to be born of God to love and walk in His Spirit which is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. No one loves God therefore by breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says. Those are the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10.

Obedience to Gods law is not faith, faith is obedience of faith, which is obedience to the faith ( not to the law)



Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As told to you, the law makes nothing perfect ( by seeking God through law)


Hope is what makes perfect, and in law there was neither faith nor hope, as hope in in believing God raised Christ from the dead..


Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Your misquoting scripture. Hebrew 7 is talking about the law of the Priesthood while Hebrews 10 is talking about old covenant laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifices.

 

[Christian7777777]

True because I do not have a doctrine of law observance do please do not pretend that I do. As posted to you earlier your bearing false witness. .

Your doctrine is not to talk of faith, if you did, you wont be teaching law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Obedience to Gods law is not faith, faith is obedience of faith, which is obedience to the faith ( not to the law)

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

 

[Christian7777777]

Your misquoting scripture. Hebrew 7 is talking about the law of the Priesthood while Hebrews 10 is talking about old covenant laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifices.

The law of the priesthood is the law that had no mercy in it, as mercy is faith in our High Priest for forgiveness of sins through His death and resurrection..


Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your doctrine is not to talk of faith, if you did, you wont be teaching law.

According to James if your faith does not have works all you have is the dead faith of devils (see James 2:17-26) Which agrees with John who shows that the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is sin (breaking Gods' law) in 1 John 3:6-9. Therefore according to John no one can claim to know God while living in sin and disobedience to Gods' Word in 1 John 2:3-4.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The law of the priesthood is the law that had no mercy in it, as mercy is faith in our High Priest for forgiveness of sins through His death and resurrection..


Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

No not at all. Mercy was obtained in the Levitical Priesthoods, shadow laws of remission of sins through animal sacrifice pointing to Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (see John 1:29; Hebrews 10:1-22).

 

[Christian7777777]

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

yes you do teazcxh law doctrine.


Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Romans 9:32
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: