Why reincarnation is the truth

[Onemonthman]

Tell me, if God is so omnipotent, and if God loves every single one of us no matter what, how could he allow some of us to go to Hell after death?

I find it very ironic in a day and age when it is so politically correct to say that women should be able to choose to kill babies and that gays should be able to choose to marry that those same people scream intolerance when God allows them to choose to go to hell. You have all the information you need. If after reviewing it, you still choose to shun Jesus then you know the fate. That is not God's doing, it is yours. And who said that everyone before Jesus went to hell? I can point to many people just in the Bible who lived long before Jesus who obviously did not go to hell. Those without the law were not expected to keep it but would be judged according to how they lived their lives and if in doing so they were showing the fact that each of us is born with a inherrent need for God.

 

[Onemonthman]

I am not referring to physical strength. I am referring to strength of the mind.

Me too.

A great soul, who knows he is one with the infinite, can destroy heaven and hell (if they existed) by a mere thought.

LOL

 

[peaceful soul]

I have read the Bible, and this is exactly what I'm talking about. Why was this concept changed in the Bible? Why wasn't it kept the same as it was in the original Judaism?

...unless you think that the Bible started with Judaism? Did you read anything about the relationship of men that occured before Judaism? You would find that God's laws never changed, but only His method of dealing with us changed. God always honored those who trusted Him and acted in faith on what He told them. That is the definition of obedience. It is our obedience to God that manifests our spirituality with Him. God gives us the gift of His spirit when we take such actions to obey Him. Nothing else connects us with God except it be by God's means - not ours. I would suggest that you take a more careful look at what you said that you read, because you obviously did not get the complete picture.

 

[HadouKen24]

I find it very ironic in a day and age when it is so politically correct to say that women should be able to choose to kill babies and that gays should be able to choose to marry that those same people scream intolerance when God allows them to choose to go to hell.

You're painting a false picture of the situation. You seem to think that they have all the information laid out for them, and it's simply a choice of heaven vs. hell. However, for someone who does not believe in either one (like myself), there is no choice present; you cannot choose to go somewhere if you don't believe it exists.

Furthermore, by phrasing things in that way, you fail to recognize the active role God plays in the damnation of souls in Christian thought. If God is the judge, then it is his judgements that send people to hell. It is not their non-existent choice that sends them to hell. It is God's reaction to that choice. You cannot absolve God of the responsibility that he has in sending people to hell whether you think it's just or not.

You have all the information you need. If after reviewing it, you still choose to shun Jesus then you know the fate. That is not God's doing, it is yours.

I would venture that most non-Christians don't have all the information they need. Aside from historical questions of Jesus' existence, life, and miracles, there are a number of questions about the structure of Christianity. For Jesus' sacrifice to be meaningful to us, there must be some eternal hell he saved us from. But an eternal hell would be an infinite punishment for a finite crime, and that certainly is not just, so the Christian God cannot be perfectly just. I understand that there are answers to these dilemmas, but I haven't found any of them satisfactory yet.

Is it my doing that I cannot discover the answer to problems that have perplexed thinkers for ages? If not, then it is not my doing that I am not a Christian, because these questions are crucial if one is to accept Christianity.

And who said that everyone before Jesus went to hell? I can point to many people just in the Bible who lived long before Jesus who obviously did not go to hell. Those without the law were not expected to keep it but would be judged according to how they lived their lives and if in doing so they were showing the fact that each of us is born with a inherrent need for God.

Who are those "without the law?" Wouldn't someone who found it impossible to believe in what the Bible says be just as "without the law" as a man born in India 200 years before Christ? If so, then why do Christians talk as if it is so certain that non-Christians will go to hell?

 

[Petr]

This post and you are not worth a response.

It's funny because it's true and you didn't reply.

 

[Petr]

And part of that lawlessness is to worship false idols.
One way of doing so is to create God to exist in a way that He has not revealed Himself to be and then place that as truth out there and teach it.

They believe in ONE GOD like you do, where are these "false idols" you are talking about?

Another is to change the Word of God to fit fallacious ideas.

Calling oneself Christian and then espousing non-Christian ideals seems to me to be the height of lawlessness.

Fool, "christian" is a basic term for one who takes up his cross and follows Jesus in suffering for righteous life. (Something Christians tend to think they do automatically, while in fact other peope non-orthodox carry a much havier cross for their God)

There has been many revelations of Christ outside of orthodox christianity.

For the Word is very near to you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. Deutorononmy 30:15.

The Word of God is within hearts/minds/souls of people, its not a book, neither is the Word limited to one man (Jesus). Neither is there a proof for a belief, other than your imaginations, that the Bible is really innerant(something so many christians like to believe), while this doctorine is totally non-biblical.

 

[Lokisdottir]

I find it very ironic in a day and age when it is so politically correct to say that women should be able to choose to kill babies and that gays should be able to choose to marry that those same people scream intolerance when God allows them to choose to go to hell. You have all the information you need. If after reviewing it, you still choose to shun Jesus then you know the fate. That is not God's doing, it is yours. And who said that everyone before Jesus went to hell? I can point to many people just in the Bible who lived long before Jesus who obviously did not go to hell. Those without the law were not expected to keep it but would be judged according to how they lived their lives and if in doing so they were showing the fact that each of us is born with a inherrent need for God.

So you're saying that a loving relationship between people of the same sex, or a first-trimester abortion when the fetus is still no more than a clump of cells--these things are crimes as great in magnitude as allowing billions of people to burn in the agony of hell for all eternity?

It doesn't even matter what your opinion of abortion is; surely anyone can agree that killing one person is not nearly as bad as giving the same person an eternity of pain and suffering.

 

[Proud Hindu]

LOL

Laugh if you want, but I've already done it. We forge the chain, we alone can break it.

Another is to change the Word of God to fit fallacious ideas.

Calling oneself Christian and then espousing non-Christian ideals seems to me to be the height of lawlessness.

Petr, and other Gnostic Christians, are certainly better representatives of Christianity than you are. I think "calling yourself Christian and espousing non-Christian ideals" would apply more to you.

 

[Onemonthman]

I have had the displeasure of reading through this load of tripe and have come to the conclusion that I am discussing holy things with a group of people who enjoy being blind too much to try and see. The Bible tells me not to cast my pearls before swine. I am finished.

 

[Petr]

I have had the displeasure of reading through this load of tripe and have come to the conclusion that I am discussing holy things with a group of people who enjoy being blind too much to try and see. The Bible tells me not to cast my pearls before swine. I am finished.

Well, noone asked you to come, this is a non-christian forum anyway. As for your comments about everyone being blind but you and casting pearls before swine (hebrew terminology which you obviously do not understand, but I give you a hint "Hypocrite, first cast the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to cast the twig out of the eye of your brother").

All in all, we have another proof that Christanity and orthodox Christians feel no less "Elect" than any denomination or religion that claims to be the possesor of truth.

 

[Fiendishjester]

...unless you think that the Bible started with Judaism? Did you read anything about the relationship of men that occured before Judaism? You would find that God's laws never changed, but only His method of dealing with us changed. God always honored those who trusted Him and acted in faith on what He told them. That is the definition of obedience. It is our obedience to God that manifests our spirituality with Him. God gives us the gift of His spirit when we take such actions to obey Him. Nothing else connects us with God except it be by God's means - not ours. I would suggest that you take a more careful look at what you said that you read, because you obviously did not get the complete picture.

Thank you for your post, but this has nothing to do with my discussion. It is an obvious fact that the concept of Satan in the OT and the concept of Satan in the NT are not the same. This is evident not only in writing, but by the ideological views of Jews as opposed to those of Christians. All I am asking for is the reason that this change occurred.