Why people reject the reality of Hell

[Blade]

I think other then a handful at best we don't know what the other 30 million Churches in this world preach. Then other then our home Church no one sits in each one every Sunday year after year knowing just what they do or don't preach on Thanks OP for sharing your personal view. No books have been open and when they are no one will be thinking "ooh I was right".

So were talking about a place a GOD made that was never made for man. Were talking about a time in which....hmm wait has not happened. No all living and dead standing before Him books open and He is not asking any of us what we think He should do. HAHA there, we would never even get this thought but here..pffft easy. We know the truth right? We read that book and we know Hell is real forever (no matter how that word was written, translated, used in other places blah blah blah. Not sure why all those that read the same book look in to the same Hebrew Greek that see something different are wrong.. what do I know.

I tend to look at it a tad different Me. Well they are not my creation that I made and will never ever see them again. We GOD FOR BID lose a loved one and that can destroy someone's life here. See (forgive me Father) burn forever or not or just gone.. really? All those are awful. To never be with the Father. That alone there is nothing that comes close to it. And we almost bicker about forever/burn torment gone. Maybe think about those that are weak in the faith and the fact we can't know the heart and get no say in this what so ever PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS! Yeah He in 61 years never told me to tell anyone they are going to burn forever. No..it was to share what they don't know and thats how much He loves them...died for them took their place. Most are bind and have no sin. Then we know of every tribe nation in Heaven no one can count how many.... so many So share Him witness for Him.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hell is eternal, the Lake of Fire is also hell, your eternal destination doesn't change after the first hell and death are cast into the Lake, they will be resurrected and judged in the great white throne judgement, they will be judged according to their works, then be cast into the Lake of Fire. nobody is in the Lake of Fire yet they are in Hell waiting to be resurrected and judged. Hell is eternal Matthew 25:46 believers who die immediately are present with the Lord 2 Corinthians 5:8, and unbelievers immediately to Hell and torments. Luke 16:23

You stand in judgment, this is a change of position.

If you are thrown into the lake of fire after hell, it will still be a different place.

 

[Der Alte]

I gave you Luke 12:4-5, but you talked about something else.

Posting "Luke 12:4-5" does not tell me anything, least of all what relationship it has with the numerous vss. I have already posted. I addressed Lk 12:4-5 in my post which you quoted. Guess you missed that. Here it is again "Why would anyone fear being thrown in hell after they die unless there is 'eternal punishment' as Jesus said in Matthew 25:46."

 

[Gregorikos]

Posting "Luke 12:4-5" does not tell me anything, least of all what relationship it has with the numerous vss. I have already posted. I addressed Lk 12:4-5 in my post which you quoted. Guess you missed that. Here it is again "Why would anyone fear being thrown in hell after they die unless there is 'eternal punishment' as Jesus said in Matthew 25:46."

Are you being a troll? I posted the text of Luke 12:4-5, with commentary, and a challenge for you to make sense of it in light of what you are saying. No other verses needed. Here it is again:

“I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into  hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him! Luke 12:4-5

Here, Jesus plainly states that even in the case of a murder, no matter how brutal, there is something so much worse that can happen to us after that, which is the thing we ought to really be afraid of, even beyond the murder itself. And it involves being sent to hell. Now you make sense of that outside of the traditional understanding of eternal conscious torment in hell.

 

[BobRyan]

Matt 10:28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matt 10:28 does not say God will destroy both body and soul in hell. It says "Him who is able to destroy body and soul in hell."

Same thing.

Bible writers - write to tell us what God does not what he could do but of course would never do.

Jude 1: 24 Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority before all time and now and forever. Amen

This is a common practice

agreed. We show how the exact same phrasing is used in the most unambiguous case so as to avoid the various spin-this-way-or that in some of the less nailed-down examples of the exact same idea.

Jude clearly states that Sodom and Gomorrah are designated as examples of what it is to be subjected to the punishment of eternal fire.

The 2 Peter 2 informs us that they are "destroyed by reducing them to ashes" -- in case someone wants to 'downsize' the term for "destroyed" as being something less terminal.

 

[BobRyan]

Matt 10:28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell..

Hello Wendy, the Bible says that the Lake of Fire will be the eternal abode of all who end up being sent there .. e.g. Revelation 20:10,

I don't find "eternal abode" at all in Rev 20 -- for anything.

but you seem to believe otherwise. If your belief is based upon the Scriptures, please point me/us in the direction of the verses/passages that you believe contradict v10 above.

Many verses use that same language and fully explain how it is that sinners are destroyed "both body and soul" in that very hell Matt 10:28 and yet it is still described in the language of Rev 20:9-10 (I notice you are leaving out 9)

9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

In Rev 20:10 we are told that it is the devil who is suffering in fire and brimstone along with the false prophet and the beast -- tormented forever and ever.

As for the entire group of the wicked on the other hand -- fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Yet in Rev 14 - we also see that it is all the wicked that suffer that as well.

Ez 28"12-19 tells us that the devil is in fact "reduced to ashes on the Earth" and will "be no more forever" -- just as we see in 2Pet 2 in the case of the eternal fire that "destroyed" Sodom.

In Is 34:9-11 we have a place subjected to fire and brimstone with smoke ascending up forever and ever -- and yet animals move in and take over the place.

Is 34:9 Its streams shall be turned into pitch,
And its dust into brimstone;
Its land shall become burning pitch.
10 It shall not be quenched night or day;
Its smoke shall ascend forever.
From generation to generation it shall lie waste;
No one shall pass through it forever and ever.
11 But the pelican and the porcupine shall possess it,
Also the owl and the raven shall dwell in it.

It does not have the same meaning that some levels of 'inference' might wish to read into those texts

 

[Der Alte]

Are you being a troll? I posted the text of Luke 12:4-5, with commentary, and a challenge for you to make sense of it in light of what you are saying. No other verses needed. Here it is again:
“I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into  hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him! Luke 12:4-5
Here, Jesus plainly states that even in the case of a murder, no matter how brutal, there is something so much worse that can happen to us after that, which is the thing we ought to really be afraid of, even beyond the murder itself. And it involves being sent to hell. Now you make sense of that outside of the traditional understanding of eternal conscious torment in hell.

Where does Jesus say anything about a murder? The only killing mentioned is by the one who also has authority to cast into hell. The one being cast is not the killer here. In Luke is the one being cast into hell dead or alive and is he suffering pain? Where does Luke say that the soul of the person in hell is destroyed?
My argument was, is and continues to be that there is "eternal punishment" mentioned in the NT and Jesus is the one who mentioned it. Matthew 25:46. Nothing you have posted contradicts that.

 

[Der Alte]

Jude 1: 24 Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority before all time and now and forever. Amen

Who is Jude talking to? People can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to by quoting selective vss. out-of-context, as you have done here.

Jud 1:3 Dear friends, although I have been eager to write to you about our common salvation,​

Not all mankind. Jude is NOT saying that God will protect all mankind and keep them from stumbling?

Jude clearly states that Sodom and Gomorrah are designated as examples of what it is to be subjected to the punishment of eternal fire.

Only the fire is eternal. And help me out here won't they be resurrected and judged in the sweet by and by?

The 2 Peter 2 informs us that they are "destroyed by reducing them to ashes" -- in case someone wants to 'downsize' the term for "destroyed" as being something less terminal.

Another out-of-context quote. As I said they will all be resurrected and judged and what happens then?
Once, about 30 years ago, I was travelling from Cal. to Va, for some training. The man in the seat next to me was reading the Bible. To start a conversation I said, "Good book you are reading, I like the way it ends." He smiled and I said "You are a military aviator." He was startled, "Do I have a sign on my forehead?" I said "No the issue aviator glasses and the military haircut." I also had both. We chatted for a while about out mutual combat experiences
Back to the end of the book.
The lake of fire passages, in context.

Revelation 2:11 'Whoever has an ear should listen to what the Spirit is saying to the Churches. The one who overcomes will not be harmed by the second death.
Rev 20:6 This is the first resurrection. 6 and ho1y is the one who has part in the first resurrection! Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests” of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Rev 19:20 But the beast was captured and with him the false prophet who worked the signs in his sight and by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who expressed adoration to his image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.2​

And 1000 years later, the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are still in the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and [they] shall be tormented [plural verb] day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

The lake of fire [LOF] is called “the second death” twice in Rev. vss. 20:14 and 21:8. While this is true, Rev. never says that anyone is thrown into the LOF then they die.
…..The terms “the lake of fire” and “the second death” are interchangeable.
“The lake of fire” is “the second death” and “the second death” is “the lake of fire,” thus we can see that it is not synonymous with death or destruction.
…..We also see that being thrown into the LOF is not synonymous with death from Rev 19:20, where the beast and the false prophet, who was a person, are thrown into the LOF and 1000 years later, in 20:10 the devil, is thrown into the LOF.
Three living, sentient, beings, are thrown into the LOF but they do not die, they are tormented day and night for ever and ever. There is not one verse in Revelation which says anyone/anything is thrown into the LOF then they/it dies.
…..Rev 20:14 does say death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. Death is the point in time end of life; it has no physical presence and cannot be literally thrown anywhere.
If “hell” refers to the grave, graves are empty holes. Empty cannot be literally thrown anywhere.
Since neither death nor hell could/did die a first death they can’t die a second death.
But there is a scriptural answer which does not involve mixing literal and figurative in one sentence, there is a death and hell which are sentient beings and can be thrown into the LOF.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.​

My name for these two sentient beings are “the angel of death” and “the demon of hell.” Others can feel free to call them whatever they want. The 2 beings are thrown into the LOF and their power to kill ended.
….Additional verses which show that the LOF is not synonymous with death or destruction.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

. Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death” in vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new,” vs. 5.
“No more death” but 3 verses later, Rev 21:8 says eight groups of the unrighteous; fearful, unbelieving, the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters and liars “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is [still] the second death.”
If there is “no more death,” after vs. 4, then those thrown into the lake of fire in vs. 8 do not die although it is called the “second death.”.

Revelation 22:11
(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.​

 

[Gregorikos]

Where does Jesus say anything about a murder?

"My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body," Luke 12:4

Those would be murderers. And Jesus said that without any qualification as to the brutality of the murder.

He said rather than fear someone who might murder you, fear instead what could come after that, if you go to the wrong place.

 

[eleos1954]

Hell is real and should be avoided. The duration is limited due to the fact God's mercy,grace and compassion lasts forever. Human ignorance can never defeat God's mercy.

"To Him who [earnestly,] remembered us in our low estate and imprinted us[on His heart], for His mercy and loving-kindness endure forever."

Psalms 136:23

so eternal life is given to everybody it's just a matter of whether they burn forever or not?

How happy is one when they believe people you loved are being tormented continuously in this "burning hell"? How does one sleep at night believing this? How does one believe in a God that would do this? It's a false and terrible teaching.

 

[Der Alte]

so eternal life is given to everybody it's just a matter of whether they burn forever or not?
How happy is one when they believe people you loved are being tormented continuously in this "burning hell"? How does one sleep at night believing this? How does one believe in a God that would do this? It's a false and terrible teaching.

Silliest argument I have herd lately. Do you think God is influenced by what people think or might think about His actions? I'm pretty sure all the people in the world at the time of Noah didn't much like His decision to destroy the world. Here is a picture for you, mothers and fathers standing on top of mountains, buildings etc. holding their babies over their heads trying to keep them from drowning. Here is another picture for you mothers and fathers shielding their babies with their own bodies trying to keep them from being burned alive.
It does not matter how many word games UR-ites try to play, Jesus said and meant "eternal punishment."

EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”​

Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years +/- ago. Who better than the team of native Greek speaking scholars, the translators of the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB], quoted below, know the correct meaning of the Greek words in the N.T.?
Link to EOB online;
The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., first occurrence Matt 25:46 and the second occurrence 1 John 4:18.

EOB 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[ κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.​

Note, the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars, translators of the EOB, translated “aionios” as “eternal,” NOT “age.”
In the EOB the Greek word “kolasis” is translated “punishment” in both Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18. Some folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction.” However, according to the EOB Greek scholars it means “punishment.”
Note: in 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect. Thus “kolasis” does not and cannot mean “correction.
…..I acknowledge that modern Greek is different than koine Greek but I am confident that the Greek speaking EOB scholars are competent enough to know the correct meanings of old words which may have changed in meaning or are no longer used and translate them correctly. Just as scholars today know the meaning of archaic words which occur in the KJV and translate them correctly.

 

[BobRyan]

Posting "Luke 12:4-5" does not tell me anything, least of all what relationship it has with the numerous vss. I have already posted. I addressed Lk 12:4-5 in my post which you quoted. Guess you missed that. Here it is again "Why would anyone fear being thrown in hell after they die unless there is 'eternal punishment' as Jesus said in Matthew 25:46."

I am not sure why you are saying you are confused as to the point of posting Luke 12:4-5 when this is merely Luke's report of the same Matt 10:28 verse that you were already given.

Matt 10:28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell..

When you were given it you apparently considered it to be enough of a problem so as to work on a way to redefine the term "destroy" as it is used in connection with eternal fire -- even though we see that term in that same context in Jude 7 and in 2 Peter 2 where it is "destroy by reducing them to ashes" in the text.

 

[BobRyan]

Silliest argument I have herd lately. Do you think God is influenced by what people think or might think about His actions?

The problem for your suggestion so far, is not "oh what might people think?" - but rather these texts that do not support your inferences so far.

Many verses use that same language and fully explain how it is that sinners are destroyed "both body and soul" in that very hell Matt 10:28 and yet it is still described in the language of Rev 20:9-10 (I notice you are leaving out 9)

9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

In Rev 20:10 we are told that it is the devil who is suffering in fire and brimstone along with the false prophet and the beast -- tormented forever and ever.

As for the entire group of the wicked on the other hand -- fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Yet in Rev 14 - we also see that it is all the wicked that suffer that as well.

Ez 28"12-19 tells us that the devil is in fact "reduced to ashes on the Earth" and will "be no more forever" -- just as we see in 2Pet 2 in the case of the eternal fire that "destroyed" Sodom.

In Is 34:9-11 we have a place subjected to fire and brimstone with smoke ascending up forever and ever -- and yet animals move in and take over the place.

Is 34:9 Its streams shall be turned into pitch,
And its dust into brimstone;
Its land shall become burning pitch.
10 It shall not be quenched night or day;
Its smoke shall ascend forever.
From generation to generation it shall lie waste;
No one shall pass through it forever and ever.
11 But the pelican and the porcupine shall possess it,
Also the owl and the raven shall dwell in it.

It does not have the same meaning that some levels of 'inference' might wish to read into those texts

so then it is not just a problem for you from Rev 20:9 and Matt 10:28

 

[Der Alte]

I am not sure why you are saying you are confused as to the point of posting Luke 12:4-5 when this is merely Luke's report of the same Matt 10:28 verse that you were already given.
When you were given it you apparently considered it to be enough of a problem so as to work on a way to redefine the term "destroy" as it is used in connection with eternal fire -- even though we see that term in that same context in Jude 7 and in 2 Peter 2 where it is "destroy by reducing them to ashes" in the text.

Luk 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Matthew 10:28
(28) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.​

No problem at all. Neither verse says that the soul is or will be destroyed in hell.
Luk "after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell"
Matt "able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Why would people fear being thrown into hell after they are killed?

 

[BobRyan]

Luk 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Matthew 10:28
(28) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.​

No problem at all. Neither verse says that the soul is or will be destroyed in hell.

No matter that it does say that in Matt 10:28?

So then is it your claim that Jude 1 is not saying God will keep us from stumbling -- only that He could IF He wanted to --- but not that we can rely on that as some sort of claim that God ever would do such a thing?

Jude 1: 24 Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority before all time and now and forever. Amen


Do you turn Matt 10:28 into something like

"but rather FEAR Him who although He COULD destroy both body and soul in fiery hell - of course would never actually do such a thing"?? Is that level of inference you would wish the reader of Matt 10 to pour into the text??

Do you not see how that looks like a lot of a priori bias poured into the suggestion you make just then?

Your logic is hard to follow because you appear to make it:

"God of course will never destroy both body and soul in fiery hell - but instead will preserve both body AND soul in fiery hell so as to torture both for all eternity. Nevertheless fear Him because He COULD destroy BOTH body and soul in fiery hell.. (even though He would never do such thing of course)"
​

Not sure if that is the re-work of it that you are proposing -- but if so it looks like very contorted logic. Very hard to follow. Not at all the natural reading of the text or the point the readers of that text would have been most likely to take from it based on the way it presently reads.

(IF I were a pastor or Bible teacher - teaching that kind of rendering of Matt 10:28 -- the paragraph above that I just created to make it very obvious as to what is being taught by such a pastor - would keep me awake nights)

 

[BobRyan]

Luk "after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell"
Matt "able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Why would people fear being thrown into hell after they are killed?

Rev 20 says that death, hell/hades/the grave (call it what you will ) are cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20 says that all the wicked "come to life" at the second resurrection which happens just before the great white throne judgment in Rev 20. So we know how it is that some lost person who has been killed - is then brought to life in what Rev 20 calls "the second resurrection" and is then cast into what Rev 20 calls "the second death" (the Lake of Fire).

The "first death" being the natural death that all humans die in this life.

 

[Der Alte]

Rev 20 says that death, hell/hades/the grave (call it what you will ) are cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20 says that all the wicked "come to life" at the second resurrection which happens just before the great white throne judgment in Rev 20. So we know how it is that some lost person who has been killed - is then brought to life in what Rev 20 calls "the second resurrection" and is then cast into what Rev 20 calls "the second death" (the Lake of Fire).
The "first death" being the natural death that all humans die in this life.

That seems to about cover it. But for. The lake of fire passages, in context.

Revelation 2:11 'Whoever has an ear should listen to what the Spirit is saying to the Churches. The one who overcomes will not be harmed by the second death.
Rev 20:6 This is the first resurrection. 6 and ho1y is the one who has part in the first resurrection! Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests” of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Rev 19:20 But the beast was captured and with him the false prophet who worked the signs in his sight and by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who expressed adoration to his image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.2​

And 1000 years later, the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are still in the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and [they] shall be tormented [plural verb] day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

The lake of fire [LOF] is called “the second death” twice in Rev. vss. 20:14 and 21:8. While this is true, Rev. never says that anyone is thrown into the LOF then they die.
…..The terms “the lake of fire” and “the second death” are interchangeable.
“The lake of fire” is “the second death” and “the second death” is “the lake of fire,” thus we can see that it is not synonymous with death or destruction.
…..We also see that being thrown into the LOF is not synonymous with death from Rev 19:20, where the beast and the false prophet, who was a person, are thrown into the LOF and 1000 years later, in 20:10 the devil, is thrown into the LOF.
Three living, sentient, beings, are thrown into the LOF but they do not die, they are tormented day and night for ever and ever. There is not one verse in Revelation which says anyone/anything is thrown into the LOF then they/it dies.
…..Rev 20:14 does say death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. Death is the point in time end of life; it has no physical presence and cannot be literally thrown anywhere.
If “hell” refers to the grave, graves are empty holes. Empty cannot be literally thrown anywhere.
Since neither death nor hell could/did die a first death they can’t die a second death.
But there is a scriptural answer which does not involve mixing literal and figurative in one sentence, there is a death and hell which are sentient beings and can be thrown into the LOF.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.​

My name for these two sentient beings are “the angel of death” and “the demon of hell.” Others can feel free to call them whatever they want. The 2 beings are thrown into the LOF and their power to kill ended.
….Additional verses which show that the LOF is not synonymous with death or destruction.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

. Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death” in vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new,” vs. 5.
“No more death” but 3 verses later, Rev 21:8 says eight groups of the unrighteous; the fearful, unbelieving, the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters and liars “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is [still] the second death.”
If there is “no more death,” after vs. 4, then those thrown into the lake of fire in vs. 8 do not die although it is called the “second death.”.

Revelation 22:11
(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Revelation 22:18-19
(18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
(19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.​

 

[Hmm]

"Why people reject the reality of Hell"

Because people reject reality as you conceive it.

 

[Kylism]

Second Death Explored.

eleos1954 asked "what is the second death". You were looking for a definition.

Here is mine. I haven't fully explored it completely but to some level I have.

References a future time which is similar to moment of first death of Adam and Eve in where taking fruit of knowing good and evil brought death (Eph 2:1 as for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins). We were cut off from God spiritually and unable to be with God in connection. The second death in where these will be cut off from God in lake of fire. So those in lake of fire are also in second death as being cut off

 

[BobRyan]

Three living, sentient, beings, are thrown into the LOF but they do not die, they are tormented day and night for ever and ever. There is not one verse in Revelation which says anyone/anything is thrown into the LOF then they/it dies.

Not one text says that those who are thrown into the like of fire have eternal life ... or live forever there etc.

But we do have a text saying that Satan is reduced to ashes in that punishment - as already noted in Ezek 28.

And we have one that say that the fiery hell punisment of Rev 20 - destroys "both body and soul" Matt 10:28 just like we are told that "God is able to keep you from stumbling" all these texts confirm what we have said all along.

Jude 1: 24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority before all time and now and forever. Amen

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I think we are still waiting for your response to this --

Do you turn Matt 10:28 into something like

"but rather FEAR Him who although He COULD destroy both body and soul in fiery hell - of course would never actually do such a thing"?? Is that level of inference you would wish the reader of Matt 10 to pour into the text??

Do you not see how that looks like a lot of a priori bias poured into the suggestion you make just then?

Your logic is hard to follow because you appear to make it:

"God of course will never destroy both body and soul in fiery hell - but instead will preserve both body AND soul in fiery hell so as to torture both for all eternity. Nevertheless fear Him because He COULD destroy BOTH body and soul in fiery hell.. (even though He would never do such thing of course)"
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Not sure if that is the re-work of it that you are proposing -- but if so it looks like very contorted logic. Very hard to follow. Not at all the natural reading of the text or the point the readers of that text would have been most likely to take from it based on the way it presently reads.

(IF I were a pastor or Bible teacher - teaching that kind of rendering of Matt 10:28 -- the paragraph above that I just created to make it very obvious as to what is being taught by such a pastor - would keep me awake nights)