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Why people reject the reality of Hell

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Jesus the Christ is recorded in the NT as using the word "hades," but what did He really say? Most likely, He said some term in Aramaic. I don't know about you, but I find it repugnant to think that He would use a term referring back to a pagan Greek "god." God told us back in the OT not to so much as mention pagan "gods," so why would He not follow His own rules?
Always remember that you are reading a translation.
Faulty reasoning. If Jesus used a different word, other than Hades, how would Greek speaking proselytes understand what He was talking about?
My ¢¢ Below are quotes from three Jewish sources; the 1917 Jewish Encyclopedia, 1972 Encyclopedia Judaica and the Talmud. Which to date have not been, and I am convinced cannot be, refuted. Please note in the 225 BC Sheol, for the place of everlasting punishment was written as "Hades."
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…..It is very enticing to claim that the Christian concept of "Hell" was somehow derived from Dante's 14th century writing “Inferno,” or some later writing. But according to these three sources, at least 16 centuries before Dante even scribbled one line, among the יהודים/Yehudim/ιουδαιων/Youdaion/Jews in Israel, before and during the time of Jesus, there was a significant belief in a place of everlasting torment of the wicked and they called it both sheol and gehinnom. Sheol and gehinnom are written Hades and Gehenna, respectively, in both the 225 BC LXX and the NT. As can be seen by the citations in this post The Jews later called both Sheol/Hades, and Ge Hinnom/Gehenna, “Hell.
…..There were different factions within Judaism; Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes etc. and different beliefs about resurrection, hell etc. These differing beliefs do not disprove anything in this post.
[1]1925 Jewish Encyclopedia, Gehenna
The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch … in the "valley of the sons of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). … the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a);[“Soon” in this paragraph would be about 700 BC +/-, DA]​
Note: This is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT any assumed/alleged bias of “modern” Christian translators. DA
…..This refutes the false narrative that the eleven [11] times Jesus mentioned “Gehenna” He was referring to the valley of GeHinnom/Gehenna where trash and bodies were supposedly always burning.
”(I)n general …sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai [30 BC-90 AD] wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell(B.M. 83b).
“But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab [Talmud]. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).[/i]
“… heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b).[Talmud] “When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, [שאול/Sheol] all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; [Talmud] comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch [x. 6, xci. 9, etal] also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al). "The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according toIsa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b)[Talmud].
Link: Jewish Encyclopedia Online
Note, scripture references are highlighted in blue.
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[2]1972 Encyclopedia Judaica:
Gehinnom (Heb. גֵּי בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּי בְנֵי הִנֹּם, גֵּיא בֶן־הִנֹּם, גֵּיא הִנֹּם; Gr. Γέεννα; "Valley of Ben-Hinnom, Valley of [the Son (s) of] Hinnom," Gehenna), a valley south of Jerusalem on one of the borders between the territories of Judah and Benjamin, between the Valley of *Rephaim and *En-Rogel (Josh. 15:8; 18:16). It is identified with Wadi er-Rababi.
…..During the time of the Monarchy, Gehinnom, at a place called Topheth, was the site of a cult which involved the burning of children (II Kings 23:10; Jer. 7:31; 32:35 et al.; ). Jeremiah repeatedly condemned this cult and predicted that on its account Topheth and the Valley of the Son of Hinnom would be called the Valley of the "Slaughter" (Jer. 19:5–6).
In Judaism the name Gehinnom is generally used as an appellation of the place of torment reserved for the wicked after death. The New Testament used the Greek form Gehenna in the same sense.
Link:
Gehinnom
http://www.jevzajcg.me/enciklopedia/Encyclopaedia Judaica, v. 07 (Fey-Gor).pdf
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[3]Talmud -Tractate Rosh Hashanah Chapter 1.
The school of Hillel says: . . . but as for Minim, [i.e. followers of Jesus] informers and disbelievers, who deny the Torah, or Resurrection, or separate themselves from the congregation, or who inspire their fellowmen with dread of them, or who sin and cause others to sin, as did Jeroboam the son of Nebat and his followers, they all descend to Gehenna, and are judged there from generation to generation, as it is said [Isa. lxvi. 24]:
"And they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched." Even when Gehenna will be destroyed, they will not be consumed, as it is written[Psalms, xlix. 15]: "And their forms wasteth away in the nether world," which the sages comment upon to mean that their forms shall endure even when the grave is no more.
Concerning them Hannah says [I Sam. ii. 10]: "The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces."
Link: Tract Rosh Hashana: Chapter I.
When Jesus taught e.g.,
• “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell [Γέεννα/gehenna] where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, 3 times Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,” Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6 [A fate worse than death. DA]
• “Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. …And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:23
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24 [A fate worse than death]
• “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12​
[A fate worse than death. DA]
…..These teachings tacitly reaffirmed and sanctioned a then existing significant Jewish view of eternal hell, c.f. Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Judaica and Talmud, supra.
In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a punishment worse than death or nonexistence.
…..A punishment worse than death, without mercy, is also mentioned in Hebrews 10:28-31.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. [A fate worse than death. DA]​
…..how much sorer punishment,””Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord,””It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God” these deprecations certainly do not sound like everyone will be saved, no matter what.
…..Jesus is quoted as using the word death 17 times in the gospels, if He intended to say “eternal death,” in Matt 25:46, that is what He would have said but He didn’t, He said “eternal punishment/aionios kolasis.
….The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, see Acts of the Apostles 23:8. They knew that everybody died; rich, poor; young, old; good, bad; men, women; children, infants; sick, healthy, and knew that it was permanent and often it did not involve punishment.
When Jesus taught, e.g., “eternal punishment” the Sadducees would not have understood it as simply death, it very likely would have meant something worse to them.
…..Re: Matt 25:46 concerning “punishment” one early church father wrote,
“Then these reap no advantage from their punishment, as it seems: moreover, I would say that they are not punished unless they are conscious of the punishment.” Justin Martyr [A.D. 110-165.] Dialogue with Trypho Chapter 4​
…..Jesus attended Temple and synagogues for about 25 years +/-. He undoubtedly knew what the Jews believed about the fate of the unrighteous. He opposed the Jewish leaders many times, If the Jewish teaching on hell was wrong, why wouldn’t Jesus tell them there was no hell, no eternal punishment etc? Why would Jesus teach “eternal punishment,” etc. to Jews who believed, e.g.
"The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity"[/i] ([Judith xvi:17]Judith xvi. 17).
Link: Judith, CHAPTER 16
 
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You are literally saying you have a better understanding of what the word hades means better than what is recorded in the Bible. What word would you prefer the text to say? To my mind, it does not get clearer. You can say it doesn't represent the exact word Jesus used, but it does not follow that the word is wholly inadequate. You need to demonstrate it is inadequate and I see no way to do that.

I may or may not have a better understanding of "hades" than most folks. Bible scholarship is much better today than it was in 1611. More manuscripts are available than in 1611 and the best Bible scholars did not know the difference between classic and koine Greek. The Septuagint/LXX used "hades" and I'm aware that it is supposed to be the best Greek equivalent of the Hebrew "sheol." Yet, the word was a foot in the door for Greek myth and thinking. We also got the doctrine of the "Immortality of the Soul," from Greek philosophy. I have already mentioned "Hades" being the name of a Greek "god."

Can you think of a reason NOT to simply render "hades" as "the grave" or "the pit," as "sheol" was in the OT so often? That would harmonize the Scriptures wonderfully.
 
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Can you think of a reason NOT to simply render "hades" as "the grave" or "the pit," as "sheol" was in the OT so often? That would harmonize the Scriptures wonderfully.

That is like saying Christ offered no new revelation into Spirituality. Is this really the line you want to take? Please address @Der Alte's post.
 
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How am I to represent every iteration of Calvinism?

I have my own view on Soteriology after giving it much thought. Would you prefer to talk about Calvinists or the view of the person you are engaging with? I do not believe you can convince me of your view, just so we are clear. The reason for this is simple: Universalism makes the final judgment completely irrelevant.

I thought you had an issue with how Calvinism was presented, the burden of proof is on you. You might want to take a simple look at the Controversial section in this forum. Calvinist are presenting their case that God"hates". So, if you want to continue making baseless claims just be aware, they are without merit.

I get it, you have no intention of researching the position of restoration, purgatorial hell, or Patristic Universalism. Got it....I have been in your same situation as well. Believed ECT for 30 yrs. never had a problem with eternal torment as you incorrectly "assumed".

You may like to study the testimony of Paul on the road to Damascus. Was Paul willingly seeking Christ? Nope, not even close. Paul was a far away from Christ as you could be. Paul approved of the arrest and killing of Christians. Read Pauls testimony ....Christ pursued Paul, not the other way around. "Even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an arrogant man. But I received mercy because I acted out of ignorance in unbelief".(1 Timothy 1:13)



 
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You may like to study the testimony of Paul on the road to Damascus. Was Paul willingly seeking Christ? Nope, not even close. Paul was a far away from Christ as you could be. Paul approved of the arrest and killing of Christians. Read Pauls testimony ....Christ pursued Paul, not the other way around. "Even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an arrogant man. But I received mercy because I acted out of ignorance in unbelief".(1 Timothy 1:13)

I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I said earlier I agree Christ pursues us. In context, it was about the shepherd leaving the 99 to find the 1. Whatever you think this disproves about my view, you are quite wrong as I affirm Irresistible Grace, but I am not a Calvinist myself.
 
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I may or may not have a better understanding of "hades" than most folks. Bible scholarship is much better today than it was in 1611. More manuscripts are available than in 1611 and the best Bible scholars did not know the difference between classic and koine Greek. The Septuagint/LXX used "hades" and I'm aware that it is supposed to be the best Greek equivalent of the Hebrew "sheol." Yet, the word was a foot in the door for Greek myth and thinking. We also got the doctrine of the "Immortality of the Soul," from Greek philosophy. I have already mentioned "Hades" being the name of a Greek "god."
Can you think of a reason NOT to simply render "hades" as "the grave" or "the pit," as "sheol" was in the OT so often? That would harmonize the Scriptures wonderfully.
It seems that some folks cannot wrap their heads around the fact that the Jews themselves used "hades" to represent "sheol" and Ge Henna to represent "Ge Hinnom" in the 225 BC LXX. The NT also use "hades" to represent "sheol". And according to the Jewish Encyclopedia they both represent "hell."
 
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Even if he did use an Aramaic term, the principle is the same. How far do you need to deny what scripture says to maintain your view?
There are definitely translation issues. Anyone who translates a text does so with a doctrinal bias. Since the Bible came from the western/Latin church (instead of the eastern/Greek church), it bears the Damnationist bias. There is even a bias in the reading and study of a text. To me, the Bible is a Universalist text. That's not what you see. Here's an example of a translation issue.

Aionios mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.

All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios", the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46. See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.

Matthew 13:22
The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Compare: Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Luke 20:35; Ephesians 1:21

Luke 18:29-30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)
 
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How so? It no longer matters what we did on earth, right?
It matters immensely. Jesus said to pluck out an eye, or cut off a hand to avoid it. (exaggeration, but point made)

I actually believe that religious people will have a harder time than the nonreligious. I can see some of them quoting "scripture" at Jesus to prove him wrong. - lol

Matthew 21:31 NIV
... “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
 
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How so? It no longer matters what we did on earth, right?
What is the reason for ECT? Eternal punishment for a finite crime?
It accomplishes nothing and never goes away.

Universal restoration has a purpose. (Matthew 19:28; Mark 9:49; Malachi 3:2; Revelation 21:5)

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On the contrary.
UR rescues the final judgment. Gives it meaning and purpose.
 
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The NIV reads better.

Matthew 19:28 NIV
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

Revelation 21:5 NIV
He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
 
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I actually believe that religious people will have a harder time than the nonreligious. I can see some of them quoting "scripture" at Jesus to prove him wrong. - lol

Yes, I think it's going to be pretty Pythonesque:

MAN #1: I think it was 'Blessed are the cheesemakers.'
JESUS: ...right prevail.
MRS. GREGORY: Ahh, what's so special about the cheesemakers?
GREGORY: Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

- Monty Python, Life of Brian
 
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Why do people reject the biblical fact of Hell?

Because the idea is nonsensical. The idea that a loving Father would ever reject any of his children and either annihilate or torture them forever of course makes no sense. Ask any child if you can't understand this and let them teach you.

Look at the parable of the prodigal son or the parable of the lost sheep. God never gives up on the lost and He will never refuse to accept a child who returns to him. Look at the cross. It tells us that God is prepared to die to save us.

We all matter to God and He saves everyone, not just those you acknowledge as a bona fide Christian. He is the good shepherd who continues to search through the wilderness until he finds the last of his sheep. He does not suddenly decide he's searched long enough, or that it's the sheep's fault it got lost and so abandons it. He does not just give up His search when it gets dark or it starts to rain.

God is the father who never stops waiting expectantly for His wayward son to return. Instead, he looks out for them year after year and runs to embrace them with joy when He sees them. There's no time limit on his love, so if the son returns on Wednesday he runs to embrace him with joy but if he returns on Thursday He will start to dust down His rack ready for a spot, an endless spot, of torture. What kind of psycho father would that be?

The idea that we can't repent after we die is unscriptural and incoherent. God promises that he will raise all back to life again, the sheep and the goats, the righteous and unrighteous, alike. Since the living can repent, then those who have life returned to them will surely be able to repent just as well as they could have before.

Will God turn them away in the age to come when they ask Him for mercy? Of course not.

Its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there.
Revelation 21:22-27
 
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Because the idea is nonsensical. The idea that a loving Father would ever reject any of his children and either annihilate or torture them forever of course makes no sense. Ask any child if you can't understand this and let them teach you.
Look at the parable of the prodigal son or the parable of the lost sheep. God never gives up on the lost and He will never refuse to accept a child who returns to him. Look at the cross. It tells us that God is prepared to die to save us.
We all matter to God and He saves everyone, not just those you acknowledge as a bona fide Christian. He is the good shepherd who continues to search through the wilderness until he finds the last of his sheep. He does not suddenly decide he's searched long enough, or that it's the sheep's fault it got lost and so abandons it. He does not just give up His search when it gets dark or it starts to rain.
God is the father who never stops waiting expectantly for His wayward son to return. Instead, he looks out for them year after year and runs to embrace them with joy when He sees them. There's no time limit on his love, so if the son returns on Wednesday he runs to embrace him with joy but if he returns on Thursday He will start to dust down His rack ready for a spot, an endless spot, of torture. What kind of psycho father would that be?
The idea that we can't repent after we die is unscriptural and incoherent. God promises that he will raise all back to life again, the sheep and the goats, the righteous and unrighteous, alike. Since the living can repent, then those who have life returned to them will surely be able to repent just as well as they could have before.
Will God turn them away in the age to come when they ask Him for mercy? Of course not.
Its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there.
Revelation 21:22-27
This is a common practice of all heterodox religious groups, they have a laundry list of out-of-context proof texts which they quote incessantly and ignore verses which prove them wrong.
You ended your post with Revelation 21:22-27 as if this passage shows that all mankind all be saved.
Revelation 21:22-27
(22) And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
(23) And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
(24) And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.​
This says "the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of [the new Jerusalem]" This vs. makes a distinction and it excludes those nations that are not saved.
(25) And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
(26) And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
(27) And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
If all mankind is saved who is left to defile anything or work an abomination or make a lie?
But let us read the last chapter.
Revelation 22:11​
(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Instead of all mankind being saved the angel said "let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:"
After this no salvation no healing etc.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.​
Only they who have the right to the tree of life can enter outside are dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, idolaters and liars.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.​
If all mankind has been saved who is going to add to or take a way words from the book of prophecy?
 
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Because the idea is nonsensical. The idea that a loving Father would ever reject any of his children and either annihilate or torture them forever of course makes no sense.* * *
The idea that we can't repent after we die is unscriptural and incoherent. God promises that he will raise all back to life again, the sheep and the goats, the righteous and unrighteous, alike. Since the living can repent, then those who have life returned to them will surely be able to repent just as well as they could have before.
Will God turn them away in the age to come when they ask Him for mercy? Of course not.
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Deliberate misrepresentation of scripture. You mention the sheep and goats and say they both can repent after the judgment at the throne of Jesus. That is blatantly false.
EOB Matthew:25:46 When he will answer them, saying: ‘Amen, I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These [ones on the left] will go away into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] punishment, [κόλασις/kolasis] but the righteous into eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.”​
Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church since its inception, 2000 years ago +/-. Note, the native Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox Greek scholars, translators of the EOB, translated “aionios,” in Matt 25:46, as “eternal,” NOT “age.”
Who better than the team of native Greek speaking scholars, translators of the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible [EOB], quoted below, know the correct meaning of the Greek words in the N.T.?
Link to EOB online:
The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
…..The Greek word “kolasis” occurs only twice in the N.T., 1st occurrence Matt 25:46, above, and the 2nd occurrence 1 John 4:18., below.
EOB 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear is connected with punishment.[ κόλασις/kolasis] But the one who fears is not yet perfect in love.​
In the EOB the Greek word “kolasis” is translated “punishment” in both Matt 25:46 and 1 John 4:18. Some misinformed folks claim “kolasis” really means “prune” or “correction.” However, that is an etymological fallacy. According to the EOB Greek scholars it means “punishment.”
Note: in 1 John 4:18 there is no correction, the one with “kolasis” is not made perfect. Thus “kolasis” does not/cannot mean “correction.”
…..It is acknowledged that modern Greek differs from koine Greek but I am confident that the Greek speaking EOB scholars are competent enough to know the correct meanings of old words which may have changed in meaning or are no longer used and translate them correctly. Just as scholars today know the meaning of archaic words which occur in the KJV and translate them correctly.
 
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