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In any case, it is MY understanding that Lutherans affirm that we may request the prayers only of the living.
And what do you think will happen if you pray to Father directly?But in all fairness, when you ask me to pray for you, you know I can see and hear you.Would it be more proper or less? And why ... IN YOUR OPINION please.
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Ed, if I asked YOU to pray for me, would you or I think it THEREFORE is more likely to be answered? Either way, does that suggest it's wrong for me to ask you to pray for me?
Doesn't the Bible counsel us to pray for each other? To seek the prayers of others?
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But how can you possibly be assured that "St.Thomas" can see and hear you and millions of others that pray to him for intercession at the same time?
This I really do not understand.Yes, as a practical matter, Catholics and Orthodox do this. Properly considered theologically, it's not so. On the Catholic Answers radio show (on EWTN radio) they acknowledge that the saints in Heaven are not omniscient. They can't hear us. Catholic or Orthodox prayers to the saints actually have to go through God to get to the targeted saint. So, as Jimmie Akin would put it, we (Catholics and Orthodox, probably not us Lutherans) pray through God to Mary, etc. Jimmie would say that's really what we mean when we say we pray to Jesus through Mary, we're really only addressing Mary through Jesus. (At the far end, presumably then Mary or whatever saint does intercede with God on behalf of the person praying.)
Korah
Hey, it's a Roman Catholic problem.This I really do not understand.
But the prayer reaches God already. Isn't that the main purpose of a prayer?
Hey. What kind of a Lutheran would you be if you would not have a personal expression!......
Ed, again, I didn't suggest any rule violation. Only a bit of discomfort. I'm just a poster and just expressed that. I'm alone in it. And that's okay. Sorry for the personal expression.
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But we're not trying to diss anyone....
I've seen discussions in OBOB about Lutherans that stated clearly WRONG or clearly misleading information about us. Except for a couple of mods there who happen to be Lutherans - and me, lol - no one would know all that divisive disinformation (and dissing) was going on since Lutherans don't tend to go to OBOB. I didn't like it. And what's good for the goose is good for the gander; MY perspective is that we should treat others as we would want them to treat us.
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(turning around) ... Naah ... I'm not afraid of Zec ... (looking under the desk) ... and none of his lutefisk business ... (clicking the second lock) ... he don't scare me at all ... (slipping under the covers and staring into the dark)I'd be more worried about Zec and his lutefisk.
excellent post, my friend.But we're not trying to diss anyone.
Haven't you noticed here a thread that apparently was not proper nor respectful of the RC and our own TCLers were openly stating that this is not right.
And that thread disappeared.
If some other forums diss us or present incorrect information AND do not allow debates - let the good mods handle this stuff ...with all this money they get paid ... (ducking to avoid a shoe with a red M on it) ...
Thanks,
Ed
(turning around) ... Naah ... I'm not afraid of Zec ... (looking under the desk) ... and none of his lutefisk business ... (clicking the second lock) ... he don't scare me at all ... (slipping under the covers and staring into the dark)
But we're not trying to diss anyone.
Haven't you noticed here a thread that apparently was not proper nor respectful of the RC and our own TCLers were openly stating that this is not right.
And that thread disappeared.
If some other forums diss us or present incorrect information AND do not allow debates - let the good mods handle this stuff ...with all this money they get paid ... (ducking to avoid a shoe with a red M on it) ...
Thanks,
Ed
DaRev
We certainly know that the depated saints do pray for us. They don't need to be asked. Besides, in reality, we can't ask them to.
It is a double-edged sword ...You're, speaking from experience no doubt! After all Ed, you once wore the mark of the MOD (beast as some would call it).
Show me a scripture where the departed pray for us.
You left out 'yellow S'......
A Christian Mod is a Janitor in the house of God.
In my opinion, in the eyes of our Lord, there is NO better position in CF than a Mod with a Red or a Purple M.
Thanks,
Ed
You left out 'yellow S'...
Hey! I thought you resignatiated.
My grandson said that one ornery kid that acted up in church real bad was the antichrist. He also said that someone had seen Elvis down at the 7-11. I don't know who to believe anymore.:oIt is a double-edged sword ...
On one hand you behave like Cain in exhile after you make even a tiniest mistake in judging your brother ... yet the Lord has mercyand places a mark on you, so the beasts of the wild would not tear you apart.
Then, some people start counting the letters of your name and conclude you are an Anti-Christ and start calling on curses that our Lord will punish you ... yet our Lord ignores these prayers and gives you wisdom how to handle such things.
A Christian Mod is a Janitor in the house of God.
In my opinion, in the eyes of our Lord, there is NO better position in CF than a Mod with a Red or a Purple M.
Thanks,
Ed
Oh ... in my opinion, "yellow S" is really a most misunderstood position.You left out 'yellow S'...
... you can lose church members ...Ya can't do a lot with a half (or3/4s) rotten cod at any rate.
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