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WHY NON-CHRISTIAN?

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What do you think does not line up? The weeks are seven years each. seven times - seven
years - time, times, the dividing of time
time - one year - times - two years- then half of time - half of a year
The final week would be seven years, so each week of the 70 weeks represents seven years.
ten weeks =70 years and so on

Weeks are years now? Great -- hours can be fortnights, minutes can be centuries, a week from next Tuesday can be 10:00 last summer....

Once you start fudging the numbers, anything can be anything.

God wouldn't have to do that -- why would He?
 
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What? Nothing says he went by himself up the mountain. Josephus even wrote that others were with Moses...such as Joshua.

Meaning we now know of at least one person who was not "Moses" doing the writing. How many more are there?
 
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You became an atheist while in church?

No. I was already an atheist, but church would have been the first place I became conscious of that fact. The very earliest moments of introspection I can remember were realizations that I didn't believe any of what I was hearing.

God gave us such a beautiful world to show Himself to us.

I believe you believe that.

Don't you think He would also give us a written message to help us understand Him and what He expects of us?

No, I don't think that. I don't think non-existent entities are capable of doing anything.

He spoke at times, and things were so!

I believe you believe that.
 
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Have you read the last few verses in Isaiah 66? The time is the new earth and the wicked are being abhorred by others looking at them.
Do you know that "contempt" in Daniel 12:2 means - abhor?
everlasting contempt -
Trying to scare an atheist with a bible is an exercise in futility.
 
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Do atheists or such other lost type of people believe that God acts in the lives of people that are Christians today?

Because He certainly has been and will always be my Best Friend and Lord!

"Do atheists believe that God acts...."

If you look closer, you'll find your answer.
 
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Jesus Christ actually went against what the Jews - Pharisees-Saducees and such believed on several occasions. no work on the sabbath...His Father works, so He does too.

Because he is his Father... Jesus was God, after all. Jesus broke plenty of the traditional/ceremonial laws, and indeed, went out of his way to do so on several occasions... working on the Sabbath is a good example, as was his delay in resurrecting Lazarus (touching a body more than three days dead was considerd "unclean").

And why not? Such laws only applied to the followers of a religion, not to the deity.

He told them how sins were a lot easier to commit than what they thought, as you just need to think it in your heart/mind. To lust or hate/is like murder.

Because sin requires an evil intent. One does not sin by accident; it's a choice. Once you've formed the intent to sin, you're already halfway there.

Had the forerunner of John the Baptist. He could not just show up on the earth without that part of Old Testament prophecy coming to pass first.

Could not? Being God means doing what you want, when you want, how you want. Jesus chose to act in fulfillment of the prophecies, and when he himself didn't point that out, the Gospel writers were sure to do it for him.

Matthew, in particular, was fond of the line "such-and-such was done in fulfillment of the Scriptures."

The Middle East area even has traditions as to the kings that came from the east to see the boy Jesus and bring Him gifts/and to worship Him.
kings - worship-the King of all kings!

Indeed -- Matthew again. His style throughout his entire Gospel was to draw comparisons between Jesus and the Jewish heroes of old -- Moses, Elijah, and Elisha at the top of the list -- and show Jesus as not merely equal to them, but topping them at every opportunity. Anythign they could do, he could do better.

Remember, after all -- Matthew was a Jew, as was Jesus. The intent at the time was not to start a new religion, but to establish a new covenant for the old one. Jesus had to be shown as the "new sheriff in town," so to speak.
 
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Jeremiah 28:14, actually start back at Deuteronomy 28:48 for a verse about the yoke of iron in the future. Then when does it tell us - his yoke- will break?
Jeremiah 30:6-9
/this is yet in the future

The day the Lord saves him.

Hmmm.... he'll be saved on the day he is saved....
 
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What are you talking about...in reference to? Today is the day
of salvation. Tomorrow, some people will have not realized it and
join others that died in their sins....instead of died in Christ.

Are you sure it wasn't yesterday?
 
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2 Corinthians 6:2 actually says.....now [is] the day of salvation.

Is that "now" now or then? Who knows?

(I must confess, I'm goofing around with you a bit, but I hope you see the point I'm trying to make...)
 
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Leaving in a bit. Jesus Christ came and brought grace to people that believe
on Him....have faith....repent and believe the Gospel.

The time of salvation ends....so still is now....until all of the
church comes in as saved...to the time of when our faith ends.

Not really sure how to tell you this, but you're saying the same thing over and over...
 
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At times people ponder a reason for believing in the one and only God (consider Isa. 45:5-6). Some souls do not want anyone to be over them and greater than they are; and others want answers to satisfy their rebellious spirit. Some others think much in terms of seeing, feeling, and touching, so will not bow to that which is intangible, as they say ---though they will believe the atheistic views which are very intangible; and many other things they cannot see and feel.

A. First one needs to believe there is a Creator-God as the Bible says, for He is eternal and we have an eternal soul (as even science says); so we will meet up with Him when we leave this world, and God says that will be too late for redemption, since being in the presence of purity and holiness in our sinful nature cannot happen ---God is "...a consuming fire" as He has told us.
B. If the Bible is not accepted as "all the counsel of God" as God explains, then we are left to our own ideas.
C. One might consider that the Creator who tells of His great love for mankind, would not leave man to wander and wonder and worry; and hold us responsible for anything He has not shown us as true.
D. God has told us of His "...so great salvation" in His own beloved Son, who He sacrificed on the altar for our sins IF we will receive Him ---Jesus, the Christ of God (note John 1; John 3; John 14).
E. Wisdom speaks of doing the right thing in the right time in the right way, so one needs to consider the brevity of life, and look up and obey God by His Word while there is yet time, as some of us believe.
I was a christian for most of my life. I got to a point, where i learned more about christianity by studying the work of nt scholars and it caused me to revisit my belief. When i did so, i could no longer reconcile the christian story, as something believable.
 
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