No... You missed my point.Really? So you accept the fact manmade climate change although you doubted first?
I don't believe that you have ever used that argument in any situation that you agreed with the result.You "doubt"... Yeah... sounds like a solid argument...
A lot of people "doubted" that Trump would win the election.
No... You missed my point.
Someone here used the "I doubt" as an argument against my point... I commented by saying that "I doubt" has no weight as a retort against someones argument.. Just as many doubted that Trump would be elected.
Climate change.... very real.... Has been happening since creation... Man made climate change from cows passing wind and such... is just a smoke screen (yuck yuck) to take your money and mine.
What....... are you even talking about?I don't believe that you have ever used that argument in any situation that you agreed with the result.
I think you are dishonestly pretending to be uncertain because you don't like the results.
Care to prove me wrong? Should be easy if you can present a post of you claiming that there's no reason to accept evidence for something you believe in.
Funny... I work in applied science and my work and the economic feasibility of my clients depend on real science..Testable, observable and absolutely repeatable scientific factual results.I understod your ”point” just fine.
Its you who dont understand data and science.
Funny... I work in applied science and my work and the economic feasibility of my clients depend on real science..Testable, observable and absolutely repeatable scientific factual results.
The stuff that makes planes fly and microwave ovens heat your food.. your car engine run, Velcro work, how we make alcohol from sugars. How oil is cracked, helmets are safe, Wifi works...
That kind of science...
Not hidden data, cherry picked numbers, bullying professors and those that fund the science grants and bursaries.
Not pseudo fabricated and skewed "science" of predicted nonsense like the "man made" aspect of natural and continual events like global climate change that has one purpose and one purpose only.. to take your money and my money. Just like the "Energy Crisis"..
Those that fall for it... will 3 decades later be deflected to some new catastrophic fabricated political agenda. Not to mention that all the players of this farce will be well into retirement or dead.
Kylie, I could sit here and type a whole string of retorts to your post and we could keep doing it for days.
However, it's plain that you are set with your view as am I.
I was fed the whole "energy crisis" when I was a kid. I also swallowed all the "ice age cometh" in my youth as well.
This will be just another garden path that the powers that be are leading all the sheep down. It's as real as the USA looking for "weapons of mass destruction" in the middle east.
So, don't hold your breath for oceans rising or the whole population of the world dying because of CO2 levels cooking us.
You can listen all you want to the poster children of academia regurgitating all the false numbers that you want..
In the end.. time reveals the truth. I'm not worried for this planet. I know how the story ends.
What would change my mind? Certainly not some dude in a white coat with a big research grant or a tenure at some university... nope..I'm not set in my ways. You provide reasonable evidence - evidence that I can check and verify - and I'll believe it. I'm just asking you to present it.
I don't think that's unreasonable.
Now let me ask you: What evidence would change your mind?
What would change my mind? Certainly not some dude in a white coat with a big research grant or a tenure at some university... nope..
None of the "models" either. They can enter all the fake data that they want into them in order to give results to support their agenda.
Not any of the temperature data from NOAA either. They have weather data collection stations in parking lots, on street corners and even beside air conditioning discharge vents.
I have been fooled once, fooled twice and it's going to be a hard sell for me to ever accept that man made CO2 is causing something that happens naturally.
Even this guy states that once all of the light energy that causes the CO2 to heat up is absorbed... more CO2 will do nothing because there is no more light energy to absorb...
He also states that CO2 needed is exponential.. The amount of increase in CO2 levels, in order to raise our earth temp any more significantly would be huge.
So, Right now.. the only thing that would convince me... is time.. And, in that, I will hold to those that know that the sun has just exited a solar maximum and we are going to enter a solar minimum.. just like after the 30's and 40's...
This guy does hold to the "man made" idea.. which I disagree with.. but he presents some hard numbers for the crowd that says "CO2 is going to burn us all up"
What....... are you even talking about?
Dishonestly pretending what?
Maybe try wording this a bit differently.
You want me to go back, through my personal posts, and prove to you that I what?.... said something like "Don't take my word for it"? or "This is the evidence that I believe but research it for yourself"?
Please don't accuse me, again, of being "dishonest".. I'm a little gunshy right now because I have been nitpicked by other posters and warned for saying things, just like that...
that these people, accusing me, have they themselves, and others, committed far greater forum wrongs... It's just that I don't report people just because they don't agree with me.. or insult me...
I full well understand that this is a world wide forum and people are going to disagree with me.. They are going to rage and have fits and spew hatred.... That's what happens..
However I ... that's right I... do something and they report me..
Right now I cannot use the little rating system at the bottom right... all because I called someone out on a political comment that a news media had presented as being total misinformation...
Why am I still banned.. Because I won't aplologise for something that I didn't do... I also was told that I should report the person that reported me.. I told the mods that I am far beyond grade school antics.
People have presented evidence for climate change and you deny it.
In one post you tried to bring even the concept of evidence into doubt.
I made a general comment that how irrelevant climate denialists find evidence seemed to coincide with how against them it is.
You explained that your comments would cover any and all views on this. Nobody has accurate enough data to really state anything.
Here's where the confusion seems to have happened. I doubted that you would ever bring up how weak evidence for anything is when you agree with.
My doubt wasn't about the evidence against climate change, it was against the consistency of application of your argument.
You responded to my statement with a dismissive comment that seemed, to me, to miss the focus of my comment.
Clearly I was insulted by the aggression in my reply. That is inappropriate and I apologise.
I had decided to to speak plainly and state that I think your argument is faulty, because you wouldn't apply it unless you were already invested in the opposite.
Then I requested you point out where you would bring up you doubt about evidence when you agreed with the conclusion.
So you basically discount science in its entirety, since there is no evidence that will convince you.
And you say you will only be convinced by time. Wait and see if it happens or not. And how long are you prepared to give it, hmmm? And what criteria will you accept as showing that you were wrong? How about if what happens in reality matches what the climate models predicted? Would you accept that as evidence that you were wrong?
Did you totally miss the part where once all the heat is absorbed... it won't matter how much CO2 there is as it will not have any effect? Did you totally miss that part?
The question always comes down to "is it man made?".. and.. I say it ain't.
I don't have to give it any time... If the climate changes.. it changes.. Has been for centuries and we are still here.
What gives man the arrogance to 1/ Think that they can stop natural universal forces such as climate. 2/ take money from their citizens to try to stop it..
Unlike you, I have faith in a creator... I have no worries about such nonsense as the world ending due to cows passing wind.
People say "we have to do something now.... before it's too late"....
I say... the evidence is against any "man made" effects.. No matter how hard the people in power try to stop us from knowing and believing it.
When the vast majority of climate scientists say that human activity is accelerating climate change and you say otherwise, yeah, you are discounting science.
To present the other side. To show that not everyone is falling for all the things that the puppet are saying.In other words, your mind is made up, and you aren't interested in a discussion.
I have to wonder why you bother coming to a discussion forum at all if you aren't interested in having a discussion...
No, I discount the idea.
Again.... truth is not a democracy. There is science that contradicts their data.
To present the other side. To show that not everyone is falling for all the things that the puppet are saying.
Look... I've seen them try to force this idea into the world of reality. I've seen too many failed predictions.
And I've seen lies exposed... That's enough.
Kylie, you and I see this from two opposite sides. That is the way this world works and that is what keeps the balance.This alleged science is dismissed as incorrect by most of the experts who spend their careers studying this field.
If they can use their expertise to decide that it's wrong, why is it that you, with presumably no qualifications in a relevant field, can say that they have made a mistake?
Oh, and you call them puppets to try to discredit them! Poisoning the well like this is a poor tactic and just shows how little you actually have.
And I've already provided a source that many of the climate models from many decades ago have been validated by what's happened since in the real world.
You lower your standard of what counts as evidence when it comes to things you agree with, and you raise it unreasonably high when it comes to things you disagree with.
Kylie, you and I see this from two opposite sides. That is the way this world works and that is what keeps the balance.
You are atheist, I am Christian... Due to that simple fact we are going to have varied views on what controls this universe. My basis for what I believe is opposite to what drives you to believe what you believe...
That is the way the world goes. We are not going to change each others view on this whole climate issue. You cannot see it my way and I cannot see it yours.
The continued banter is not getting us anywhere. We seem to be two of a handful even continuing this thread..
So, Good day. I'm moving on.
No and I never intended to suggest that.Are you suggesting that Christians will typically see this issue the same way as you?
My husband is a Christian, and he doesn't see it that way at all.
Unlike you, he doesn't see God as some parent figure who will come and clean our room when we've made a mess of it.
He sees that God gave use this world to protect and care for, so we'd better protect it and care for it.