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Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

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I don’t know your mind, that’s why I asked. Do you have an answer?
Probably the best way to describe it to an unbeliever would be calling it an impression, ESP, or a sixth sense.
 
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Probably the best way to describe it to an unbeliever would be calling it an impression, ESP, or a sixth sense.
In other words, nothing demonstrable. Thank you.
 
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Isn't the universe heading in the direction of thermal equilibrium (maximum entropy)?

Probably, but it won't get there for a very long time, if ever.

What has this got to do with our bodies being unable to function without entropy?
 
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Probably, but it won't get there for a very long time, if ever.
Then living beings can, as Sarah put it, 'defy entropy' all they want.

They're polishing brass on a sinking ship.
 
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In other words, nothing demonstrable. Thank you.
There are lots and lots of promises in the Bible. If we do our part then we can be sure that God will do His part. Or as my wife says do your best and God will do the rest.
 
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Then living beings can, as Sarah put it, 'defy entropy' all they want.

They're polishing brass on a sinking ship.

Of course you are right; ultimately, all the stars in the universe will exhaust their nuclear fuel (and any other sources of energy), and, so far as we know, in the absence of radiation from stars life will become impossible. However, that will not happen for a very long time, probably hundreds of billions of years, or even trillions of years.
 
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Thanks for the QED.
 
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I guess it depends on if you read everyone for and against...for example...Charles H. Towne, a winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1964, had come to a startling conclusion. He said “Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying plan.”

Harvard geneticist Richard Lewontin said “It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”

So it is not that the evidence may suggest that, or that it cannot equally and just as honestly be interpreted this way, but that it CANNOT be allowed.

 
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So it is not that the evidence may suggest that, or that it cannot equally and just as honestly be interpreted this way, but that it CANNOT be allowed.
Those who blindly uphold evolution and its insufficiencies of explanation insist, no demand,
that the only evidence acceptable to people of "science" is material empirical evidence.

They harden their hearts to faith and knowledge of God and his creation; therefore they
have no wisdom nor understanding; no tangible and real experience of Jesus [God] and
go around stating that God and the spiritual are not true.
A tautology of logic verified by unbelief.

2 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
Proverbs 30:2-3

20 Wisdom cries without; she utters her voice in the streets:
21 She cries in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates:
in the city she utters her words, saying,
22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in
their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you.
Proverbs 1:20-23
 
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Evolution is simply a scientific theory regarding biodiversity of life on the planet. It's clearly not at odds with the Christian faith, given the number of Christians who accept the validity of evolution as science.

Only creationists seem to set up this bizarre dichotomy where one has to reject science to accept a religious faith. Seems odd though since historically speaking, religion tends to lose those battles.
 
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The two lines of demarcation appear to be:

a) the concepts of dead matter in the form of organic molecules self replicating in such a way that they form into cells and become alive, and
b) That these cells over time became multi-cellular organisms which became fish which became amphibians which became reptiles and so on

As for evolution referring to the production of variety within a particular form of organism (say cats or dogs or birds or people) or "change over time" (such as a zygote becoming an embryo becoming a fetus becoming an infant and so on...only a minority of people who believe in a creator or that the universe was created differ.
 
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People say lots of crazy things about evolution but the main thing is what they put in the Biology text books and teach our High School Students. Things like founder effect & bottle neck theory fairly well establish descent with modification to the point where no one really denies 101 evolution or what some call micro evolution. The problem creationists have is with macro evolution. The evidence from the Burgess Shale is that all the various species show up very rapidly and they change very little over time. No doubt there is modification or what creationists call fine tuning. People question that one species can change into another.

The problem is you have evolutionary atheists like Dawkins that have mastered the art of strawman arguments and then they dismental their own strawman. This tends to give evolutionary science a bad name. Theistic evolutionists try to clean up the mess that skeptics, scoffers, infidels & dissidents make. People like Francis Collins talks about how DNA is "The Language of God". Science gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding of how God creates life here on Planet Earth.
 
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How do you differentiate spirit from your own imagination?
We learn to separate good from evil. God is good and everything He does is good. "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. " Genesis 1:31

Genesis 6:5 "GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil"
 
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