Why Modern Jubilee Prophesies are Wrong!

[Gideon]

Recently there have been a bunch of failed end-time predictions. The latest cases relate to the ancient Hebrew cycles of ‘Shemitah’ and ‘Yovel’ – in English, the Sabbatical years, and the Jubilee. There is no doubt they were a part of an old Hebrew calendar, but that function no longer operates. The Jubilee was not followed by the Jews after the Persian period, and the ‘Shemitah’, although continuing, lost its use as a calendar system.

Yes, the old Jubilee can be found, but false prophets have got on to the Jubilee bandwagon without properly interpreting it. Nor have they properly researched their dates. For example, Harold Camping, built his now discredited theories on a Jubilee date of Tishri (Sept) 1994/1995. Since then Rabbi Jonathan Cahn places the Jubilee starting this month, Tishri (Sept) 2015/2016. He relates it to the ‘blood moon’ phenomena, and current world economic problems. Then there is John Hagee and others like him.

I hope to explain why I believe these charlatans are dead wrong! In the meanwhile, please take a moment to do the poll.

Gideon

 

[keras]

Paul said: All that happened to the ancient Israelites was an example for us and symbolised what will happen in the last days. 1 Corinthians 10:11
Expect to have Jubilees once again and most likely they will tie into the ancient cycle.

BTW, fishing is good here!

 

[Gideon]

Expect to have Jubilees once again ...

Well, the old Jubilee can be found, but to do that we must find the Sabbatical years first. Fortunately, these 7-year interval dates have been found. A Jewish scholar by the name of Benedict Zuckermann researched the 2nd temple period, and the writings of the Maccabees and Josephus, pinning about five separate Sabbath examples. From these ‘anchor’ dates the Shemitah has been accurately tracked, 7+7+7+7+7 etc. right down to our present day. Our most recent Shemitah year (Sept 2014/2015) is a continuous count of ‘sevens’ from these historical dates.

I’ll get to the Jubilee shortly, but first of all it might be of interest to us Christians to know when the Shemitah fell during the ministry of Jesus. It was AD26/27 at the time of his baptism. The next Shemitah year was AD33/34 but, of course, he had been crucified by then.

(more coming)

 

[Echolipse]

Without going into repeated details, I believe the jewish dates and years do correlate to what's going on with things today. Do I believe any form of the rapture will occur at this time? No. Again, without going into details, events haven't tied together yet for the full tribulation to begin. I believe that - if anything does happen - it could be a judgment strictly for America and how we've fallen and rejected God, but no events that tie directly to the tribulation have begun yet.

Edit: Love when something happens with the internet and it posts something multiple times....

 

[Gideon]

I'll do this false prophecy rebuttal one bite at a time because long posts can be hard to follow. My first point is that, although the Shemitah does arrive at Sept 2014 - Sept 2015, it is not followed by a Jubilee in this case. The Jubilee came after every seventh sabbatical year, and 2015 is not one of them. Ill try to get back to this later today.

I have spent over 12 years searching the subject and have published my findings in a book. I would like to add that it was meant to count to Messiah - not to the present day! It can be counted forward if we want to, and I will do so, but it was not actually meant to be. If anyone here is interested in serious study of Shemitah and Jubilee please consider getting 'The Atonement Clock'

Gideon

 

[Echolipse]

I'll do this false prophecy rebuttal one bite at a time because long posts can be hard to follow. My first point is that, although the Shemitah does arrive at Sept 2014 - Sept 2015, it is not followed by a Jubilee in this case. The Jubilee came after every seventh sabbatical year, and 2015 is not one of them. Ill try to get back to this later today.

I have spent over 12 years searching the subject and have published my findings in a book. I would like to add that it was meant to count to Messiah - not to the present day! It can be counted forward if we want to, and I will do so, but it was not actually meant to be. If anyone here is interested in serious study of Shemitah and Jubilee please consider getting 'The Atonement Clock'

Gideon

I'm curious as to why Jubilee won't come after this year's sabbatical, especially since it has continued - to my knowledge - into modern day. Was there no jubilee during the sabbatical years in the 1900s and before? Also, what proof do you have of this?

I'm curious to your response since you said you'd get back onto it later.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I'll do this false prophecy rebuttal one bite at a time because long posts can be hard to follow. My first point is that, although the Shemitah does arrive at Sept 2014 - Sept 2015, it is not followed by a Jubilee in this case. The Jubilee came after every seventh sabbatical year, and 2015 is not one of them. Ill try to get back to this later today.

I have spent over 12 years searching the subject and have published my findings in a book. I would like to add that it was meant to count to Messiah - not to the present day! It can be counted forward if we want to, and I will do so, but it was not actually meant to be. If anyone here is interested in serious study of Shemitah and Jubilee please consider getting 'The Atonement Clock'

Gideon

You are hawking your book just as every other predictor . That is a pretty web site though. Why the command "Get The Atonement Clock NOW! ? Maybe I don't want to get it now. Maybe I want to wait until it gets to the library.

 

[Gideon]

Reason #1 - Modern Prophecies do not count from known Bible Jubilee Dates!

The Jubilee came after every seventh sabbatical year. Yes, people have the Shemitah years right, but which one is is the seventh? Which one is followed by the Jubilee? To count between Jubilees we need to find a known case in the Bible and count 49-year cycles (some say 50) until we locate the one we are looking for. But year AD 2015 is not one of them.

The last known example of a Jubilee year is found in the New Testament and follows the Sabbatical year that occurred when John the Baptist started preaching. As noted in my previous post, Jewish Shemitah dates correctly place that year in AD 26. So, the 50th year would have been AD 27. Now, here is how we know that the Jubilee was indeed AD 27. In that year, at the very beginning of his ministry, Jesus made his first public announcement by walking into the synagogue, and reading from the prophet Isaiah. He proclaimed,

"good news to the poor, liberty to the captives, opening of the prisons, and THE YEAR of the LORD'S FAVOR." Then, with staring eyes locked on to him, he made this extraordinary declaration: "TODAY this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing!" (Luke 4:21)

So, AD 27 was the LORD's Jubilee. For the record Echolipse and Handmaid, I would like to say that I do not believe we should continue adding this cycle beyond its Messianic fulfillment. However, because false prophets are doing so, I feel compelled to do the same, so that their falsehood can be exposed. Please pull out your calculator and add repeating jubilee cycles from AD27 and see where it arrives at - not AD 2015 is it? If we count increments of 49 to the nearest date in our time, it arrives at AD 1987.

If you think 50 years might work better, give it a go. AD27 + 50 + 50 + 50 etc. arrives at AD 2027. Not much better is it? So let us stop this nonsense about a special Jubilee year being right now? It isn't - blood moons, doom, economic collapse, Jubilee year - it simply isn't true!

Gideon

 

[BABerean2]

You are hawking your book just as every other predictor . That is a pretty web site though. Why the command "Get The Atonement Clock NOW! ? Maybe I don't want to get it now. Maybe I want to wait until it gets to the library.

Well, after I read the book, I loaned it to my friend who is a retired mechanical engineer and a deacon in his church body.

He returned it to me a few weeks later. When he handed it back to me he said... "Wow"

I had loaned him other things before, but I had never heard that response when he returned them.

It is one of the most powerful little books I have ever read.

I do not know Gideon personally, nor gain financially in any way from his book.

If you order a copy you will not be disappointed.

It proves that God is a mathematician.
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[Handmaid for Jesus]

Well, after I read the book, I loaned it to my friend who is a retired mechanical engineer and a deacon in his church body.

He returned it to me a few weeks later. When he handed it back to me he said... "Wow"

I had loaned him other things before, but I had never heard that response when he returned them.

It is one of the most powerful little books I have ever read.

I do not know Gideon personally, nor gain financially in any way from his book.

If you order a copy you will not be disappointed.

It proves that God is a mathematician.
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OK good for you and your friend. I am happy to hear that it is a good read. I think I will skip it for now.

 

[Douggg]

Reason #1 - Modern Prophecies do not count from known Bible Jubilee Dates!

The Jubilee came after every seventh sabbatical year. Yes, people have the Shemitah years right, but which one is is the seventh? Which one is followed by the Jubilee? To count between Jubilees we need to find a known case in the Bible and count 49-year cycles (some say 50) until we locate the one we are looking for. But year AD 2015 is not one of them.

The last known example of a Jubilee year is found in the New Testament and follows the Sabbatical year that occurred when John the Baptist started preaching. As noted in my previous post, Jewish Shemitah dates correctly place that year in AD 26. So, the 50th year would have been AD 27. Now, here is how we know that the Jubilee was indeed AD 27. In that year, at the very beginning of his ministry, Jesus made his first public announcement by walking into the synagogue, and reading from the prophet Isaiah. He proclaimed,


So, AD 27 was the LORD's Jubilee. For the record Echolipse and Handmaid, I would like to say that I do not believe we should continue adding this cycle beyond its Messianic fulfillment. However, because false prophets are doing so, I feel compelled to do the same, so that their falsehood can be exposed. Please pull out your calculator and add repeating jubilee cycles from AD27 and see where it arrives at - not AD 2015 is it? If we count increments of 49 to the nearest date in our time, it arrives at AD 1987.

If you think 50 years might work better, give it a go. AD27 + 50 + 50 + 50 etc. arrives at AD 2027. Not much better is it? So let us stop this nonsense about a special Jubilee year being right now? It isn't - blood moons, doom, economic collapse, Jubilee year - it simply isn't true!

Gideon

Gideon, the base for counting of the schmita years is based on the Jewish calender, not the gregorian calendar. What the Jews have been counting from to determine the schmita year; for them has nothing to do with AD counting.

Actually, I think the Roman Catholic Church manipulated where Jesus's birth and crucifixion fell on the Jewish calendar, making some mistakes in doing so, because they misinterpreted the counting of the prophecies in Daniel pertaining to the years unto messiah and his being cutoff, crucified.... when they came up with the Gregorian calendar. Pope Gregory XIII, who introduced it in 1582.

So your calculations using the AD numbering, as far as in sync with the Jewish calendar years, is from a basis out of sync with the Jewish calendar, that's why it doesn't work out the same.

But as far as, if 27 AD was when Jesus made that statement in Luke 4:21, counting from then to get AD 2027, for me anyways, looks more likely as far as bible prophecy events lining up. We'll see. Assuming 2027 Jesus's return, would put the confirming of the covenant by the Antichrist, in year 2019-2020. Enough time for the EU to evolve to a ten leader federalized government, with little horn, and Gog/Magog taking place before 2019-2020.

It is possible that the Jews themselves got out of sync in their counting the schmita year along the way somewhere. Also their calendar itself may be flawed.

 

[Gideon]

Doug, if I was talking to Jews, I would convert my dates to their calendar. You and I use the Gregorian system and that is why I am using it. However, the dates I have provided are the exact equivalent of the Jewish dates. I am not "out of sync with the Jewish calendar."

So, as I said before, this year AD 2015/2016, IS NOT a Jubilee year.

Also, I am not saying that AD 2027 is significant to end-time prophecy. I only mentioned it to make the point that the Jubilees do not count to our current year.

 

[Douggg]

Doug, if I was talking to Jews, I would convert my dates to their calendar. You and I use the Gregorian system and that is why I am using it. However, the dates I have provided are the exact equivalent of the Jewish dates. I am not "out of sync with the Jewish calendar."

What is your basis for doing so, since Judaism claims no historical record of Jesus exists outside of the New Testament ? Jesus is not on their calendar, that they maintain.

So, as I said before, this year AD 2015/2016, IS NOT a Jubilee year.

Well, Jews are claiming 2016 is the Jubilee year of release.... the super schmita as Cahn puts it.

Also, I am not saying that AD 2027 is significant to end-time prophecy. I only mentioned it to make the point that the Jubilees do not count to our current year.

Fair enough, but I am, potentially. Too many signs. Namely Greece crisis is going to force the next and final form of the EU.

And Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses made a law that every 7 years, the shmita year of release, on the feast of tabernacles, the leader of Israel was to read the law to all of Israel everything they went through to receive the promised land, essentially confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant. A law for all future generations to observe. But it has to be done from the place of God's choosing, considered now to be the temple mount. Can't be done because of the muslims. But following Gog/Magog, perceived messiah, the Antichrist, will be able to do it, kicking off the last 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

I’ll get to the Jubilee shortly, but first of all it might be of interest to us Christians to know when the Shemitah fell during the ministry of Jesus. It was AD26/27 at the time of his baptism. The next Shemitah year was AD33/34 but, of course, he had been crucified by then.

If you worked back the schmita 7 year cycle from 2015, you land in sync with AD26/27?

Okay let's see.

2015-26= 1989 1989/7 = 284.14 schmitas, not an even number, out of sync.

2015-27 = 1988 1988/7 = 284 schmitas, an even number, Okay.

 

[Douggg]

So, the 50th year would have been AD 27. Now, here is how we know that the Jubilee was indeed AD 27. In that year, at the very beginning of his ministry, Jesus made his first public announcement by walking into the synagogue, and reading from the prophet Isaiah. He proclaimed,

Jesus did not say this year 27AD...... That year 27AD designation came 1500 years later with Pope Gregory.

 

[Douggg]

Also, I am not saying that AD 2027 is significant to end-time prophecy. I only mentioned it to make the point that the Jubilees do not count to our current year.

2027-27AD = 2000 2000/50 = 40 Jubilee cycles, a whole number. I am trying to figure out why it doesn't work out to 2016. If you say the 2015 year is correct for the 7 year cycle.

I have asked the Jews at their site what Jewish calendar year was the second temple destroyed (without figuring from the CE counting). That will give a common grounds to determine 27 AD on their calendar.

 

[BABerean2]

But as far as, if 27 AD was when Jesus made that statement in Luke 4:21, counting from then to get AD 2027, for me anyways, looks more likely as far as bible prophecy events lining up. We'll see. Assuming 2027 Jesus's return, would put the confirming of the covenant by the Antichrist, in year 2019-2020. Enough time for the EU to evolve to a ten leader federalized government, with little horn, and Gog/Magog taking place before 2019-2020.

It is possible that the Jews themselves got out of sync in their counting the schmita year along the way somewhere. Also their calendar itself may be flawed.

2015 does not equal 2027 in your math problem above.

2027-27=2000, 2000/50=40 Your math is correct here.

You just proved it cannot be in 2015.

You are basing your logic on a false narrative by converting a covenant confirmed by Christ in His own Blood, into a treaty broken by the antichrist.


Mat 26:28 For this is my blood, which ratifies the New Covenant, my blood shed on behalf of many, so that they may have their sins forgiven.
(CJB)

This produces a system of eschatology out of sync with scripture.

The following comes from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.


Daniel 9:27


And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.



Who Confirmed The Covenant?
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

 

[Douggg]

2015 does not equal 2027 in your math problem above.

I don't think you comprehend the problem. Schmita means year of release. There is the 7 year schmita cycle (for letting the land rest agriculutarly and the commemorative reading required by Moses); and the 50 year super schmita cycles when all debt is forgiven.

The Jubilee schmita year is supposed to be the year following the 7th - 7year cycle. So 49 years + the next year the Jubilee year is 50 years.

On one hand, Gideon is saying the 7 year schmita cycle on 2015 is correct. That 2015 year is based on the Jewish calendar, this year 5775.

But Gideon is saying that the Jubliee schmita cycle is not 2015 (nor 2016). Instead he produces math for the Jubilee as being 2027. But he is doing so separate from the Jewish calendar.... basing the 2027 Jubilee year counting from 27 AD, no Jewish calendar year involved. So he is comparing the what the Jubliee year should be using two different base points.

What I am saying is that the 27 AD designation was made up by Pope Gregory 1500 years after Jesus. Which Pope Gregory's calendar does not synchronize with the Jewish Calendar.

To determine how close the two calendars synchronize - we need a common event. Jews don't recognize anything about the New Testament. But what they do recognize is the destruction of the second temple. So that's our common event on both calendars - assuming the Jews have some historical record of their own saying what Jewish calendar year the temple was destroyed. So I just made a post at their site asking them.

So we have the temple destroyed - 70 AD Gregorian calendar
temple destroyed - ????? Jewish calendar.

So we have 2015- 70 = 1945 years between the destruction of the second temple and now

So from this year Jewish year 5775 going back 1945 years should be on the Jewish calendar year 3830 that the temple was destroyed - if the two calendars are in sync. If they are not in sync, the Jews are going to come back to me with something other than 3830.

I asked that they don't calculate their year like I just did. But rely on someone living at the time and having recorded the event as having happened on Jewish year xxxx.

 

[BABerean2]

I don't think you comprehend the problem. Schmita means year of release. There is the 7 year schmita cycle (for letting the land rest agriculutarly and the commemorative reading required by Moses); and the 50 year super schmita cycles when all debt is forgiven.

The Jubilee schmita year is supposed to be the year following the 7th - 7year cycle. So 49 years + the next year the Jubilee year is 50 years.

On one hand, Gideon is saying the 7 year schmita cycle on 2015 is correct. That 2015 year is based on the Jewish calendar, this year 5775.

But Gideon is saying that the Jubliee schmita cycle is not 2015 (nor 2016). Instead he produces math for the Jubilee as being 2027. But he is doing so separate from the Jewish calendar.... basing the 2027 Jubilee year counting from 27 AD, no Jewish calendar year involved. So he is using two different base points.

Well, having read Jonathon Cahn's book on the Shemita and also reading Gideon's book "The Atonement Clock", I do comprehend the problem.

Let us go back to the words of Jesus, when He announced that Jubilee had come and He was it.


Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

A great deal of this confusion can come from the work of Sir Robert Anderson, who claimed that the Jews used a 360 day calendar. This claim was the truth. However, he did not give the complete story.

If the Jews had used a 360 day calendar with no corrections, in only one generation the seasons of planting and harvest would have been reversed, producing catastrophic results to those who grew food for Israel.

The Israelites made corrections to their yearly calendar on a regular basis to make it synchronize with the solar year needed for growing food.

Therefore, we can only get a correct answer by using the solar year.
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Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

 

[Another Lazarus]

Why not wait until September 2015 ends

 

[civilwarbuff]

2015-27 = 1888 1888/7 = 269.714 schmitas, not an even number, out of sync.

Actually 2015-27=1988/7=284 schmitas

So we have 2015- 70 = 2045 years between the destruction of the second temple and now

2017-70=1945 years between then and now.

 

[Douggg]

Actually 2015-27=1988/7=284 schmitas

2017-70=1945 years between then and now.

Thanks, I'll go back and fix my posts.

 

[Douggg]

A great deal of this confusion can come from the work of Sir Robert Anderson, who claimed that the Jews used a 360 day calendar. This claim was the truth. However, he did not give the complete story.

If the Jews had used a 360 day calendar with no corrections, in only one generation the seasons of planting and harvest would have been reversed, producing catastrophic results to those who grew food for Israel.

The Israelites made corrections to their yearly calendar on a regular basis to make it synchronize with the solar year needed for growing food.

Here's the explanation from the Jews themselves. I asked about their corrections back in July ...http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/5524/Need-some-calendar-help

"The extra month is Adar II, the 13th month - it follows Adar I, the 12th month. The month of Adar is the last, i.e., 12th, month in the Biblical Jewish calendar, i.e., it precedes the month of Nisan. The 13th month is added to the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th year of every 19-year cycle; in other words, 7 times in each 19-year period. During a regular year on the Jewish calendar, the holiday of Purim falls in the middle of the month of Adar (always 1 month prior to the start of Passover). During a leap year, Purim is observed during Adar II."