Why Many Fail to Receive Healing

lesjude · Dec 3, 2012

The Bible clearly gives the reasons and that healing is promised.

Demon possession/oppression can be a cause of sickness. Jesus cast out many demons and the result was healing. See also 2 Corinthians 7:1 for Christians needing deliverance.

Sin is how sickness came into the world so it follows that if a believer sins and refuses all correction from God then He can chasten with sickness. Repentance brings healing.
The healing of the sickness, not the sickness, is for the glory of God. John 9:1-3

Christians can be ill and stay ill from ignorance of the healing Jesus provided in the atonement.

Everyone gets the measure of faith from God but it is the believers responsibility to grow and exercise that faith (Romans 10:17 and Jude 20). If that responsibility is not met healing can be elusive. God can allow it to send that message of our responsibility if all else fails.

They can stay ill because they do not know what Bible faith is Hebrews 11, or how to put it to work James 2:18-26, Mark 11:24, 1 John 5:14-15 to receive healing. No one gets ANYTHING from God unless they exercise Bible faith praying according to His revealed will not "if it be thy will".

Sickness can simply be a trial to defeat the devil, glorify God, and refine the believer's faithfulness and character (see James 1:2-4, 1 Peter 1:6-7) which is why there is often a period of time between asking and receiving by faith and the manifestation of the healing (Mark 11:24).
Christians get sick and stay sick for abusing their bodies. Praying over ones food is VERY important for obvious reasons. It keeps us safe from all the "stuff" in it.
Disobedience, unforgiveness, the negative things we say about ourselves, wanting to be sick to use it for control, sympathy, a hobby, ect.; involvement in the occult by Christians i.e. horoscope, ouija board, "white" witchcraft, fortunetelling, magic practices, water witching (water divining), Eastern religion like yoga all can and do result in getting sick and staying sick.
There is a culture or climate of unbelief that is in the churches which hinders those who want to trust Jesus for healing by faith from doing so and hinders the work of healing miracles by the Holy Spirit.

ImaginaryDay · Dec 3, 2012

lesjude said:
The Bible clearly gives the reasons and that healing is promised.

Demon possession/oppression can be a cause of sickness. Jesus cast out many demons and the result was healing. See also 2 Corinthians 7:1 for Christians needing deliverance.

Sin is how sickness came into the world so it follows that if a believer sins and refuses all correction from God then He can chasten with sickness. Repentance brings healing.
The healing of the sickness, not the sickness, is for the glory of God. John 9:1-3

Christians can be ill and stay ill from ignorance of the healing Jesus provided in the atonement.

If this was true, then wouldn't it be enough for us to see all the threads from the Word of Faith individuals such as yourself, thereby becoming 'educated' in healing that is available, and therefore be healed?

Everyone gets the measure of faith from God but it is the believers responsibility to grow and exercise that faith (Romans 10:17 and Jude 20). If that responsibility is not met healing can be elusive. God can allow it to send that message of our responsibility if all else fails.

I agree with the bolded part. We must grow in and exercise our faith daily. But for the Christian who is growing/exercising said faith, but still lives with chronic illness, who is to judge that their faith is insufficient/not being met to some standard. And who sets that standard? You? Christ? The church?

They can stay ill because they do not know what Bible faith is Hebrews 11, or how to put it to work James 2:18-26, Mark 11:24, 1 John 5:14-15 to receive healing. No one gets ANYTHING from God unless they exercise Bible faith praying according to His revealed will not "if it be thy will".

Again, having been educated and having prayed in faith, I know of many who have been healed. Their faith must have been sufficient according to your standard. Praise God! But for the rest who also are educated and have prayed in faith, yet suffer chronic illness, what of them? Pray more? Pray again? Stand in another prayer line and be anointed with oil gain? 'Agree in faith' again? What? What are we missing? Surely it is not more 'education' to cover our ignorance.

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There is a culture or climate of unbelief that is in the churches which hinders those who want to trust Jesus for healing by faith from doing so and hinders the work of healing miracles by the Holy Spirit.

There is also a culture of belief that God can heal, does heal, but for some has chosen not to miraculously heal. For us, we can still glorify God in the midst of our circumstances and use our condition to bring healing and hope to others. Maybe that's the point of illness, not that arrogance or some 'sin' or demon oppression is over our life. Sometimes Christians get ill. That is our condition and a consequence of living in a fallen world. Our bodies break down and eventually we pass away. But we can look forward to our hope in Christ:

"For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands" (II Cor. 5:1)

lesjude · Dec 3, 2012

apostolic34 said:
apostolic34 said:

If this was true, then wouldn't it be enough for us to see all the threads from the Word of Faith individuals such as yourself, thereby becoming 'educated' in healing that is available, and therefore be healed?

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I am not now nor have I ever been in the heretical WOF.

I agree with the bolded part. We must grow in and exercise our faith daily. But for the Christian who is growing/exercising said faith, but still lives with chronic illness, who is to judge that their faith is insufficient/not being met to some standard. And who sets that standard? You? Christ? The church?

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The Bible is the standard and Psalm 103:1-5 and James 5:14-15 are clear. Please read the OP again as you seem to have missed some reasons.

Again, having been educated and having prayed in faith, I know of many who have been healed. Their faith must have been sufficient according to your standard. Praise God! But for the rest who also are educated and have prayed in faith, yet suffer chronic illness, what of them? Pray more? Pray again? Stand in another prayer line and be anointed with oil gain? 'Agree in faith' again? What? What are we missing? Surely it is not more 'education' to cover our ignorance.

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Please read the OP again as there are several other reasons mentioned. To ask the questions you have indicates you do not have clear understanding of Bible faith for healing. Hebrews 11:1, Mark 11:24 (note the tenses), 1 John 5:14-15, James 2:20-26, Proverbs 18:21, and the rest of Hebrews chapter 11. All trusted God ALONE, acted on God's word with no sense evidence, in fact evidence to the contrary, had it settled who God is and what He promises and spoke only what God said was true about the situation i.e confessed with the mouth what was believed in the heart with no sense evidence. Romans 10:10-13. Look up the meaning and Bible usage of the Greek word to save-sozo. It does include physical healing as part of salvation.

There is also a culture of belief that God can heal, does heal, but for some has chosen not to miraculously heal. For us, we can still glorify God in the midst of our circumstances and use our condition to bring healing and hope to others. Maybe that's the point of illness, not that arrogance or some 'sin' or demon oppression is over our life. Sometimes Christians get ill. That is our condition and a consequence of living in a fallen world. Our bodies break down and eventually we pass away. But we can look forward to our hope in Christ:

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Jesus died a horrible death to provide healing in His atonement. It is ALWAYS healing everywhere in the Bible that glorifies God, not sickness.

"For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands" (II Cor. 5:1)

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And until then healing is provided for believers that will receive it.

true2theword · Dec 3, 2012

lesjude said:
The Bible clearly gives the reasons and that healing is promised.

Demon possession/oppression can be a cause of sickness. Jesus cast out many demons and the result was healing. See also 2 Corinthians 7:1 for Christians needing deliverance.

Sin is how sickness came into the world so it follows that if a believer sins and refuses all correction from God then He can chasten with sickness. Repentance brings healing.
The healing of the sickness, not the sickness, is for the glory of God. John 9:1-3

Christians can be ill and stay ill from ignorance of the healing Jesus provided in the atonement.

Everyone gets the measure of faith from God but it is the believers responsibility to grow and exercise that faith (Romans 10:17 and Jude 20). If that responsibility is not met healing can be elusive. God can allow it to send that message of our responsibility if all else fails.

They can stay ill because they do not know what Bible faith is Hebrews 11, or how to put it to work James 2:18-26, Mark 11:24, 1 John 5:14-15 to receive healing. No one gets ANYTHING from God unless they exercise Bible faith praying according to His revealed will not "if it be thy will".

Sickness can simply be a trial to defeat the devil, glorify God, and refine the believer's faithfulness and character (see James 1:2-4, 1 Peter 1:6-7) which is why there is often a period of time between asking and receiving by faith and the manifestation of the healing (Mark 11:24).
Christians get sick and stay sick for abusing their bodies. Praying over ones food is VERY important for obvious reasons. It keeps us safe from all the "stuff" in it.
Disobedience, unforgiveness, the negative things we say about ourselves, wanting to be sick to use it for control, sympathy, a hobby, ect.; involvement in the occult by Christians i.e. horoscope, ouija board, "white" witchcraft, fortunetelling, magic practices, water witching (water divining), Eastern religion like yoga all can and do result in getting sick and staying sick.
There is a culture or climate of unbelief that is in the churches which hinders those who want to trust Jesus for healing by faith from doing so and hinders the work of healing miracles by the Holy Spirit.

or it could just be your time to go, we all will die someday, some people die no matter how much faith or repentance they have, or anything they do won't add a day to the allotment of time they have been given

Its just the cold fact of reality we die!

If we had some apostles still here and kickin showin us that faith and perfect living could extend our lives past the norm, then I would be all on board

ImaginaryDay · Dec 3, 2012

It's always the HEALING that glorifies God? No. Forgiveness of sin glorifies God. Healing was the evidence of God's authority to forgive sin. It still is today whenever it happens.

And until then healing is provided for believers that will receive it.

btw-how are you feeling today? Any headaches? Sneeze? A slight chill? If so, why? Receive your healing! Me? I'm Epileptic. I have stood in enough Pentecostal healing lines to know that I have the condition I have for life. I cope with the condition I have as well as I can until either 1) God decides to heal my condition by His grace or 2) I am no longer here. But I am also intelligent enough to know that salvation and physical healing are not correlated as you suggest. God is not like some candy store owner who likes to give out suckers and chocolate at our command or withhold it like a tyrant because we don't 'believe' he has enough in stock for us.

Let's look at this rationally. If it were true that physical healing happened at salvation, why is not all of Christendom healed of all diseases? That would result in a mass revival not seen since Pentecost!

The answer, to be truthful, is that either I am not saved (nor is any other Christian who suffers physical ailment) or you believe a doctrine that is not correct.

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

true2theword said:
or it could just be your time to go, we all will die someday, some people die no matter how much faith or repentance they have, or anything they do won't add a day to the allotment of time they have been given

Its just the cold fact of reality we die!

If we had some apostles still here and kickin showin us that faith and perfect living could extend our lives past the norm, then I would be all on board

Here is the OT covenant:
Psalm 90:10

New King James Version (NKJV)

10 The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;
For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

In fact Moses nor Aaron died sick. Believers have a better covenant based on better promises.
An apostle is not needed to learn Bible faith. Our young grand children understand it.

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

apostolic34 said:
It's always the HEALING that glorifies God? No. Forgiveness of sin glorifies God. Healing was the evidence of God's authority to forgive sin. It still is today whenever it happens.

btw-how are you feeling today? Any headaches? Sneeze? A slight chill? If so, why? Receive your healing! Me? I'm Epileptic. I have stood in enough Pentecostal healing lines to know that I have the condition I have for life. I cope with the condition I have as well as I can until either 1) God decides to heal my condition by His grace or 2) I am no longer here. But I am also intelligent enough to know that salvation and physical healing are not correlated as you suggest. God is not like some candy store owner who likes to give out suckers and chocolate at our command or withhold it like a tyrant because we don't 'believe' he has enough in stock for us.

Let's look at this rationally. If it were true that physical healing happened at salvation, why is not all of Christendom healed of all diseases? That would result in a mass revival not seen since Pentecost!

The answer, to be truthful, is that either I am not saved (nor is any other Christian who suffers physical ailment) or you believe a doctrine that is not correct.

Healing is included in the meaning of the word salvation save-sozo. However it is not automatic. Bible faith has to be exercised to receive healing just like to have sins forgiven and receive eternal life. We have seen some healed of chronic conditions upon receiving salvation however.
God promises His children healing if the conditions are met and they are easily met. The primary condition is BIBLE FAITH i.e believing is seeing NOT seeing is believing. He has already provided it 2000 years ago at Christ's death. We have to trust him alone, believe and receive. Hebrews 11:1, Mark 11:24 (note the tenses), 1 John 5:14-15, Proverbs 18:21, Psalm 103:1-5, 2 Corinthians 1:20.
Your issue is perfectly addressed by Jesus in Mark 9:14-29.

GratiaCorpusChristi · Dec 4, 2012

So the reason I suffer from Addison's Disease is because I don't have sufficient faith? Thanks.

ImaginaryDay · Dec 4, 2012

lesjude said:
Your issue is perfectly addressed by Jesus in Mark 9:14-29.

Forgive me, but are you out of your mind? I'm possessed by a spirit? Seriously? wow.......

ViaCrucis · Dec 4, 2012

lesjude said:
Healing is included in the meaning of the word salvation save-sozo. However it is not automatic. Bible faith has to be exercised to receive healing just like to have sins forgiven and receive eternal life. We have seen some healed of chronic conditions upon receiving salvation however.
God promises His children healing if the conditions are met and they are easily met. The primary condition is BIBLE FAITH i.e believing is seeing NOT seeing is believing. He has already provided it 2000 years ago at Christ's death. We have to trust him alone, believe and receive. Hebrews 11:1, Mark 11:24 (note the tenses), 1 John 5:14-15, Proverbs 18:21, Psalm 103:1-5, 2 Corinthians 1:20.
Your issue is perfectly addressed by Jesus in Mark 9:14-29.

"Bible faith".

I know what faith is, it's a gift from God. However this magic "Bible faith" you mention, that's alien to me.

As a Christian I don't practice magick, so that may be part of the reason you lost me there.

-CryptoLutheran

KimberlyAA · Dec 4, 2012

That's very true. I notice there is a significant number of people who claim that they have spirit/demonic activity in their homes & instead of engaging in simple prayer where Jesus can rid their home of all entities, they call paranormal investigators/psychics to see if they can "speak" with the entity. People need to realize that they should be seeking Jesus & not human help.

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

GratiaCorpusChristi said:
So the reason I suffer from Addison's Disease is because I don't have sufficient faith? Thanks.

I did not say that at all. I gave numerous reasons why believers fail to receive healing. Please seek God with an open heart and He will show you the issue and how to receive healing. The reason CANNOT be from God's side because His word is true. Psalm 103:1-5, James 5:14-15. Seek God because deliverance from a spirit of infirmity is needed.

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

ViaCrucis said:
"Bible faith".

I know what faith is, it's a gift from God. However this magic "Bible faith" you mention, that's alien to me.

As a Christian I don't practice magick, so that may be part of the reason you lost me there.

-CryptoLutheran

Please look up the scriptures I gave. Faith is defined in Hebrews 11:1 and examples of that faith at work given in the rest of the chapter.
Everyone gets faith from God but it is our responsibility to grow that faith Romans 10:17and Jude 20. We are to submit to the training in the use of Bible faith. Noah is a good example as he spent 100 years building a boat on God's word alone when it had never rained. We are to act and speak according to what God promises in His word with no sense evidence and often with evidence that shows it can never happen. Here are two more examples:Numbers 13 and 14, and 2 Kings 4:8-37. Note verses 20-23 and 26. Believing is seeing not seeing is believing.

Lovely Lane · Dec 4, 2012

Very interesting.
I just remembered, it is open-season and I need to make changes in my healthcare plan, thanks.

lesjude · Dec 4, 2012

apostolic34 said:
Forgive me, but are you out of your mind? I'm possessed by a spirit? Seriously? wow.......

Command the spirit out in Jesus' name. It really is no big issue. It will leave and you will see a physical change.
First I do suggest prayer and fasting to seek Jesus as to any reason this spirit has a legal right to cause this illness, please see reasons in the OP (see the last to paragraphs for POSSIBILITIES). It surely is not from God.

ImaginaryDay · Dec 4, 2012

lesjude said:
Please look up the scriptures I gave. Faith is defined in Hebrews 11:1 and examples of that faith at work given in the rest of the chapter.
Everyone gets faith from God but it is our responsibility to grow that faith Romans 10:17and Jude 20. We are to submit to the training in the use of Bible faith. Noah is a good example as he spent 100 years building a boat on God's word alone when it had never rained. We are to act and speak according to what God promises in His word with no sense evidence and often with evidence that shows it can never happen. Here are two more examples:Numbers 13 and 14, and 2 Kings 4:8-37. Note verses 20-23 and 26. Believing is seeing not seeing is believing.

You are believing your own rambling. SHOW ME FROM SCRIPTURE where it says we must "submit to the training in the use of Bible faith" or mentions the words "sense evidence" What book, chapter, and verse is that? I'll wait...

ImaginaryDay · Dec 4, 2012

lesjude said:
Command the spirit out in Jesus' name. It really is no big issue. It will leave and you will see a physical change.
First I do suggest prayer and fasting to seek Jesus as to any reason this spirit has a legal right to cause this illness, please see reasons in the OP (see the last to paragraphs for POSSIBILITIES). It surely is not from God.

Oh, I read your OP. Nonsense. Neither is your word from God. That I WILL claim in Jesus Name...

Lovely Lane · Dec 5, 2012

I hear of apostolic succession and have always wondered why that the first century saints were able to cast out demons, heal the sick and raise some from death and today they can't heal the common cold.

It just appears to me that the use of olive oil and holy water isn't getting it done when used in the unction ceremony and that rite of Great and Lesser Blessing of Water.

Could it be that the Spirit is weaker today than 2 thousand years ago, that somehow through all the passing down from one to another that the strength of the Spirit somehow is diluted, faded, adulterated?

Matt 10...5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Mark 16... 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Luke 9... 1When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, 2and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. 3He told them: Take nothing for the journeyno staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra tunic. 4Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. 5If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them. 6So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere.

So, maybe the reason of illness should be blamed on those who are ill. They must have sinned, they must not have faith, or they are lacking in faith. This type of first century blame the sinner is still alive in the 21st century.

lesjude · Dec 5, 2012

apostolic34 said:
You are believing your own rambling. SHOW ME FROM SCRIPTURE where it says we must "submit to the training in the use of Bible faith" or mentions the words "sense evidence" What book, chapter, and verse is that? I'll wait...

Hebrews 11:1

New King James Version (NKJV)

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 Corinthians 5:7

New King James Version (NKJV)

7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.

Training in Bible faith which is believing without seeing:
James 1:2-4
New King James Version (NKJV) 2
My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

1 Peter 1:6-7

New King James Version (NKJV)

6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
I gave 2 specific examples from the OT and more from Hebrews 11. Did you look up the scripture?

lesjude · Dec 5, 2012

Lovely Lane said:
Lovely Lane said:

I hear of apostolic succession and have always wondered why that the first century saints were able to cast out demons, heal the sick and raise some from death and today they can't heal the common cold.

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Here is one reason:
Revelation 2:2New King James Version (NKJV)

2 I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars;
It does not require being an apostle to heal. Mark 16:17-18 says "...those who believe..."

It just appears to me that the use of olive oil and holy water isn't getting it done when used in the unction ceremony and that rite of Great and Lesser Blessing of Water.

Could it be that the Spirit is weaker today than 2 thousand years ago, that somehow through all the passing down from one to another that the strength of the Spirit somehow is diluted, faded, adulterated?

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The Acts 2:4 experience has what has been lost and with it the power Jesus told His disciples they would receive.
No, it is an issue of simple child like faith and a willingness to do as God says at every opportunity everywhere we go:http://www.christianforums.com/t7648336/

So, maybe the reason of illness should be blamed on those who are ill. They must have sinned, they must not have faith, or they are lacking in faith. This type of first century blame the sinner is still alive in the 21st century.

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No, not always. I listed several other reasons all of which are given as reasons in the Bible.

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