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Why make it harder to vote?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by rambot, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. rambot

    rambot Senior Member

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    380,000 voters, one dropoffhttps://imgur.com/gallery/l1fOG8Y


    Another story of voter inconvenience.

    I need to ask; why does it seem like republicans are trying to keep people from voting? Don't get me wring, I would LOVE to hear stories of Democrats trying to make voting difficult or just outright denying votes to citizens.

    It just seems every story I read an (R) is behind the decision making.

    And a bigger question though why would anyone who loves democracy make it harder for people to vote?

    And why aren't more people bothered by this?
     
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  2. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Why do we want lazy people to vote, exactly?

    (bad link, by the way)
     
  3. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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    Voting is the easiest thing in the world to do. You go down to your local Board of Canvassers -or some other place- and register to vote. On election day you walk in, get a ballot, fill it out and turn it in.

    Now let's look at the pitfalls:

    People voting multiple times
    Illegal immigrants voting
    Dead people voting
    Cats voting

    Now I know you're going to ask, "how does a dead person get to the Board of Canvassers"? The answer to that is, "they don't". Something else is going on. Now, choose, let's say, three safeguards to ensure that dead people don't vote. Guess what? There are politicians out there who need those dead people's votes to hold on to their power. And now you have a giant mess of two or three or forty-seven sides in the matter all arguing about what rules they want in order to remain in power.

    And that's why there's only one drop box for all those ballots that can simply be mailed in.
     
  4. lasthero

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    Which politician has been elected because of dead people voting, and how would having a single ballot box fix that problem?
     
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  5. Pommer

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    You, of course, have links to all of these actually occurring.
     
  6. CitizenD

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    Seem?

    It's been GOP 101 for 30+ years.
     
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  7. CitizenD

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    I demand a complete physical fitness test followed by a correctly solved set of Raven's matrices before you can enter the voting chamber, ingrate.
     
  8. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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  9. Fantine

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    You forget Chris Kobach was appointed by Trump to find proof of mass voter fraud. His commission had to be disbanded because they were not able to find any proof. In addition, the Department of Justice also indicates that voter fraud is very rare. Fortunately that report must have gotten out without AG Barr putting the kibosh on it.
    I guess none of the respondents here live in large cities with large minority populations. I guess that none of them have ever had to wait on a line for 8 hours.
    The pictures I've seen all week aren't fake news.
    There is also the matter of throwing people off the voter rolls. In Wisconsin in 2016 they threw 225,000 people off the rolls. I am sure you know that young people and poor people move much more frequently than people who own their own homes. A landlord raises the rent. Boomerang kids move in and out of relationships and apartments.
    When my daughter voted in the recent primary she changed her address. Same state. They let her fill out the form. Although she had moved 60 miles, it didn't affect the primary choices.
    Instead of throwing people off the rolls if their DL is valid they should allow them to change their addresses.
    I think Republicans should go after votes--not voters. If demographics are hurting them, listen to young voters. Listen to people of color and immigrants.
    Perhaps Republican values are antithetical to the common good.
     
  10. MIDutch

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    Bummer that trump's hand picked commission of voting rights experts, lead by Kris Kobach, couldn't find any evidence for these pitfalls.

    Heck, someone should have been "lock her upped".

    They didn't even try fabricating any evidence, which I'm sure was just an oversight before trump disbanded them.
     
  11. MIDutch

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  12. HTacianas

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    Ex-Philadelphia Congressman Ozzie Myers charged with ballot box stuffing, bribery
     
  13. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    Link doesn't work.
     
  14. Hans Blaster

    Hans Blaster Well-Known Member

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    I favor feline suffrage.
     
  15. Pommer

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  16. NerdGirl123

    NerdGirl123 If only we could be ourselves...

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    It's even easier than that where I live. You can register online. Voting itself is entirely electronic (no ballot), you show your ID, push a few buttons on a machine in a booth, and go home. Takes about 60 seconds.

    OH, IT'S SO DIFFICULT!!!
     
  17. NerdGirl123

    NerdGirl123 If only we could be ourselves...

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    Voting is not "hard" to do. Register. Show up with a valid ID. Vote. Go home.

    Oh, the horror of it all.
     
  18. JackRT

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    We really don't want the wrong sort of people voting do we?
     
  19. HTacianas

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    I think I read discussion of that in the legislative record of the 14th amendment. But it it could have been something else.
     
  20. Sparagmos

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    It’s not easy if you have to wait in line for 4 hours or get across town when you have no car.
     
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