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No it isn't. The discussion so far has not included memorialists, as far as I am aware, and I wasn't talking about them.
Those churches that believe and confess that is means is, that teach the real presence, have the sacrament. Many churches teach this. Why do you assume that only one of these churches has the true Eucharist?
Those churches that believe and confess that is means is, that teach the real presence, have the sacrament. Many churches teach this. Why do you assume that only one of these churches has the true Eucharist?
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Sounds like you are trying to tie the "true Church" to a denomination. BIG mistake. The true Church exists where the Gospel is preached in its purity and the Sacraments are administered according to Christ's institution. So the question is how do we know what the pure Gospel is and what is Christ's institution of the Sacraments? Those are found in Scripture alone, not in the man made traditions of a denomination. The Reformed churches created the "symbolic only" tradition of the Lord's Supper. The RCC created the tradition of transubstantiation. Confessional Lutherans maintain what Christ instituted as revealed in the Scriptures.
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Methodist's don't believe in the Real Presence either.
Those who don't are heterodox.
Is it OK? Of course not. Never said it was. And I pray daily that all would come to the fullness of truth.
You know nothing of me, and I resent your attitude. You're not scoring many points on the forum as it is. If you want people to continue to discuss this with you, you need to tone down the snottiness.
Besides, I used to be in the RCC so I know of what I speak. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with using abbreviations.
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Bryne
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I use "RCC" all the time. Maybe I am lazy, but it is much quicker than typing out Roman Catholic Church. I don't think is sounds cultish at all, and the first time I saw it used was on another forum by Roman Catholic members. It isn't any more cultish than "LCMS" is.
Even the RCC considers protestants to be true Christians...they are referred to as "separated brethern". Even though they don't believe that those protestants have the fullness of truth.
And yes, to some extent it is OK that they are false in some way. Because in the essentials, there is agreement.
Even the RCC considers protestants to be true Christians...they are referred to as "separated brethern". Even though they don't believe that those protestants have the fullness of truth.
And yes, to some extent it is OK that they are false in some way. Because in the essentials, there is agreement.
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seajoy
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I'm only fighting fire with fire.
You all need to understand that I'm in a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-poor mood with everyone, especially God and the people who think they have Him. I'm suffering from depression, GAD, and social anxiety and I'm detoxing from cigarettes, marijuana, alcohol, and masturbation. So bear with me while I ask my questions.
Make an appointment with your psychiatrist tomorrow. You need to do some talking with a professional.
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But you started the fire.
Methinks there is a troll in the room. I do believe this thread has run its course.
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Bryne
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I have GAD, too. I agree with seajoy...you need to see your psychiatrist...if you feel the need to mention it an explanation of your behavior, then it is not being managed well at this point...you doctor needs to know this so adjustments can be made in your treatment.
Some advice...when reading what other people say, try to see it in the best possible light, and not the worst possible light. Don't assume things are meant as an attack or insult. We don't see the other people's facial expressions or hear their tone of voice, so we can take things incorrectly very easily. And if we are going to make a mistake, it is better to make a mistake by assuming the person means better than they do than by assuming that the person means worse than they actually do.
Some advice...when reading what other people say, try to see it in the best possible light, and not the worst possible light. Don't assume things are meant as an attack or insult. We don't see the other people's facial expressions or hear their tone of voice, so we can take things incorrectly very easily. And if we are going to make a mistake, it is better to make a mistake by assuming the person means better than they do than by assuming that the person means worse than they actually do.
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Bryne
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Treatment does not always entail medication...but you shouldn't dismiss the use of medication out of hand. God gave us medications as a blessing to us.
And so what if you are dependent on a pill for the rest of your life...diabetics are dependent on insulin...they have a disease that requires medication. This is no different. If medication helps, then use it. And you might not need it forever...it just depends...that is why you should be under the care of a psychiatrist...a good one, not on that just wants to push pills, but one that genuinely wants to help you manage your illness in the best way possible.
As for non-medication based treatments, one that works for GAD sometimes is cognitive behavioral therapy. Look into it. Talk therapy, where you just talk about your problems and rehash everything doesn't really work well for anxiety...so I would avoid that. Just because you tried a shrink once doesn't mean you have tried everything that therapy has to offer. Sometimes, you have to be persistent and try a few different therapists.
But honestly, the best results are obtained with a combination of medication and therapy.
And so what if you are dependent on a pill for the rest of your life...diabetics are dependent on insulin...they have a disease that requires medication. This is no different. If medication helps, then use it. And you might not need it forever...it just depends...that is why you should be under the care of a psychiatrist...a good one, not on that just wants to push pills, but one that genuinely wants to help you manage your illness in the best way possible.
As for non-medication based treatments, one that works for GAD sometimes is cognitive behavioral therapy. Look into it. Talk therapy, where you just talk about your problems and rehash everything doesn't really work well for anxiety...so I would avoid that. Just because you tried a shrink once doesn't mean you have tried everything that therapy has to offer. Sometimes, you have to be persistent and try a few different therapists.
But honestly, the best results are obtained with a combination of medication and therapy.
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Bryne
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I seriously doubt that you have tried every possible method available to you.
I have tried to be friendly, understanding and helpful. You should really treat the people who are on your side better, because if you don't, you will find that there isn't anyone on your side anymore.
I will be glad to drop it...and I apologize for trying to reach out to you. I will not make that mistake again.
I have tried to be friendly, understanding and helpful. You should really treat the people who are on your side better, because if you don't, you will find that there isn't anyone on your side anymore.
I will be glad to drop it...and I apologize for trying to reach out to you. I will not make that mistake again.
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